Defining 'Religion'

There is no argument and nothing to lose, if that is your interpretation of this thread you are lost to the whole topic which explains why you bring in a disruptive attitude.

 

Then all you have to do is report it to the mods! I think I understand exactly what the purpose of the thread is but if you have communicated its purpose so poorly that I am wrong perhaps you would like to make it clear? Rather than using different coloured texts and silly videos?

 

I told you there is no argument, nothing to win or lose, so stop annoying everyone with your constant diversions and spin.

 

And I keep telling you to stop whinging and report it to the mods, and do not pretend that you speak for ANYONE other than yourself!
Half of this thread is made up of your constant attempts to stop anyone commenting who does agree with your opinion.

 

Definition of Religion: Not limited to; The personal or cultural practices of value and faith based beliefs, morals, commitments, self-knowledge, truth, often containing a world view, which may include worship and a supernatural being or agency.



Personal - single individual
Cultural - 2 or more individuals
Practice - Corresponding actions or inaction resulting from a belief system
Faith - Acceptance of beliefs which are not necessarily be provable
Beliefs - Conclusions considered to be true
Morals - Personal law, Accepted standards typically with regard to right/wrong, good/evil, value judgements of conscience.
Commitments - The obligation to act in accordance with and adherence to ones strongly held beliefs
Self-knowledge - Careful understanding and realization of ones religion.
Truth - Recognition and acceptance of an ultimate reality
World-View - Ones morals compared to others morals.
Worship - Expression of reverence and adoration to that which one believes to be sacred.
Supernatural-Being - God
Agency - That thought to which fulfills the position of a God.
Sacred - Highest possible level of trust, reverence and adherence to the beliefs, attributes, laws, and doctrines of ones religion.

 

Here is a really good definition of religion. Short, succinct, and I think covers everything required of a religion and includes all existing religions.

Religion: Religion Is a comprehensive belief system that addresses the fundamental questions of human existance, such as the meaning of life and death, man's role in the universe, and the nature of good and evil, and that gives rise to duties of conscience.

 

Thanks that inspired another revision. The problem with the one you posted as it stands is that it does not include practice, which means it has no efficacy, therefore is strictly philosophy or ethics, which means its not religion. To get beyond the philosophy threshold an associated action is required.

Definition of Religion: The comprehensive personal and cultural practices of value and faith based beliefs, morals, duties of conscience, self-knowledge, truth, often an associated world view, worship, and may include a supernatural being or agency.



Personal - single individual
Cultural - 2 or more individuals
Practice - Corresponding actions or inaction resulting from a belief system
Faith - Acceptance of beliefs which are not necessarily be provable
Beliefs - Conclusions considered to be true
Morals - Personal law, Accepted standards typically with regard to right/wrong, good/evil, value judgements of conscience.
Commitments - The obligation to act in accordance with and adherence to ones strongly held beliefs
Self-knowledge - Careful understanding and realization of ones religion.
Truth - Recognition and acceptance of an ultimate reality
World-View - Ones morals compared to others morals.
Worship - Expression of reverence and adoration to that which one believes to be sacred.
Supernatural-Being - God
Agency - That thought to which fulfills the position of a God.
Sacred - Highest possible level of trust, reverence and adherence to the beliefs, attributes, laws, and doctrines of ones religion.

 

I think this says it better, and would be a good entry for the cheap dictionaries then for the better ones we could itemize it all out and make one like abatement, otherwise there is no rule that a definition has to be 'short'.

addresses the fundamental questions of human existance, such as the meaning of life and death, man's role in the universe

Morals include good and evil,
World view would include mans role
self-knowledge would include meaning of life and death
got rid of commitments and used your duties of conscience which is the substance of commitments so it paints a clearer picture since we are trying to do this in the least amount of words and still get it to make sense.

Then I used comprehensive which says full scope and got rid of not limited to.

Definition of Religion: The comprehensive personal and cultural practices of value and faith based beliefs, morals, duties of conscience, self-knowledge, truth, worship, and may include a supernatural being/agency, or world view.


Personal - single individual
Cultural - 2 or more individuals
Practice - Corresponding actions or inaction resulting from a belief system
Faith - Acceptance of beliefs which are not necessarily be provable
Beliefs - Conclusions considered to be true
Morals - Personal law, Accepted standards typically with regard to right/wrong, good/evil, value judgements of conscience.
Duties of conscience - The obligation to act in accordance with and adherence to ones strongly held beliefs
Self-knowledge - Careful understanding and realization of ones religion.
Truth - Recognition and acceptance of an ultimate reality
World-View - Ones morals compared to others morals.
Worship - Expression of reverence and adoration to that which one believes to be sacred.
Supernatural-Being - God
Agency - That thought to which fulfills the position of a God.
Sacred - Highest possible level of trust, reverence and adherence to the beliefs, attributes, laws, and doctrines of ones religion.


The definition I have is actually short when compared to a legal dictionary. Lets take a look at abatement
Compare:
ABATEMENT, pleading, is the overthrow of an action in consequence of some error committed in bringing or conducting it when the plaintiff is not forever barred from bringing another action. 1 Chit. Pl. 434. Abatement is by plea. There can be no demurrer in abatement. Willes' Rep. 479; Salk. 220.

2. Pleas in abatement will be considered as relating, 1, to the jurisdiction of the court; 2, to the person of the plaintiff; 3, to that of the defendant; 4, to the writ; 5, to the qualities. of such pleas ; 6, to the form of such pleas; 7, to the affidavit of the truth of pleas in abatement.

3. – 1. As to pleas relating to the jurisdiction of the court, see article Jurisdiction, and Arch. Civ. Pl. 290; 1 Chit. PI. Index. tit, Jurisdiction. There is only one case in which the jurisdiction of the court may be inquired of under the general issue, and that is where no court of the country has jurisdiction of the cause, for in that case no action can be maintained by the law of the land. 3 Mass. Rep. Rea v. Hayden, 1 Dougl. 450; 3 Johns. Rep. 113; 2 Penn. Law Journal 64, Meredith v. Pierie.

4. – 2. Relating to the person of the plaintiff. 1. The defendant may plead to the person of the plaintiff that there never was any such person in rerum natura. Bro. Brief, 25 ; 19 Johns. 308 Com. Dig. Abatement, E 16. And if one of several plaintiffs be a fictitious person, it abates the writ. Com. Dig. Abatement, E 16; 1 Chit. Pl. 435; Arch. Civ. Pl. 304. But a nominal plaintiff in ejectment may sustain an action. 5 Verm. 93; 19 John. 308. As to the rule in Pennsylvania, see 5 Watts, 423.

5. – 2. The defendant. may plead that the plaintiff is a feme covert. Co. Lit. 132, b.; or that she is his own wife. 1 Brown. Ent. 63; and see 3 T. R. 631; 6 T. R. 265; Com. Dig. Abatement, E 6; 1 Chit. Pl. 437; Arch. Civ. Pl. 302. Coverture occurring after suit brought is a plea in abatement which cannot be pleaded after a plea in bar, unless the matter arose after the plea in bar; but in that case the defendant must not suffer a continuance to intervene between the happening of this new matter, or its coming to his knowledge, and pleading it. 4 S & R. 238; Bac. Abr. Abatement, G; 4 Mass. 659; 4 S. & R. 238; 1 Bailey, 369; 4 Vern. 545; 2 Wheat. 111; 14 Mass. 295 ; 1 Blackf. 288 ; 2 Bailey, 349. See 10 S. & R. 208; 7 Verm. 508; 1 Yeates, 185; 2 Dall. 184; 3 Bibb, 246.

6. – 3. That the plaintiff (unless he sue with others as executor) is an infant and has declared by attorney. 1 Chit. Pl. 436; Arch. Civ. Pi. 301; Arch. Pr. B. R. 142 ; 2 Saund. 212, a, n. 5; 1 Went. 58, 62; 7 John. R. 373; 3 N. H. Rep. 345; 8 Pick. 552; and see 7 Mass. 241; 4 Halst. 381 2 N. H. Rep. 487.

7. – 4. A suit brought by a lunatic under guardianship, shall abate. Brayt. 18.

8. – 5. Death of plaintiff before the purchase of the original writ, may be pleaded in abatement. 1 Arch. Civ. PI. 304, 5; Com. Dig. Abatement, E 17. Death of plaintiff pending the writ might have been pleaded since the last continuance, Com. Dig. Abatement, H 32; 4 Hen. & Munf. 410; 3 Mass. 296 ; Cam. & Nor. 72; 4 Hawks, 433; 2 Root, 57; 9 Mass. 422; 4 H. & M. 410; Gilmer, 145; 2 Rand. 454; 2 Greenl. 127. But in some states, as in Pennsylvania, the, death of the plaintiff does not abate the writ; in such case the executor or administrator is substituted. The rule of the common law is, that whenever the death of any party happens, pending the writ, and yet the plea is in the same condition, as if such party were living, then such death makes no alteration; and on this rule all the diversities turn. Gilb. Com. Pleas 242.

9. – 6. Alienage, or that the plaintiff is an alien enemy. Bac. Abr. h.t.; 6 Binn. 241 ; 10 Johns. 183; 9 Mass. 363 ; Id. 377 ; 11 Mass. 119 ; 12 Mass. 8 ; 3 31. & S. 533; 2 John. Ch. R. 508; 15 East, 260; Com. Dig. Abatement, E 4; Id. Alien, C 5; 1 S. & R. 310; 1 Ch. PI. 435; Arch. Civ. PI. 3, 301.

10. – 7. Misnomer of plaintiff may also be pleaded in abatement. Arch. Civ. Pi. 305; 1 Chitty's Pleading, Index, tit. Misnomer. Com. Dig. Abatement, E 19, E 20, E 21, E 22; l Mass. 75; Bac. Abr. h. t.

11. – 8. If one of several joint tenants, sue in action ex contractu, Co. Lit. 180, b; Bac. Abr. Joint-tenants, K; 1 B. & P. 73; one of several joint contractors, Arch. Civ. PI. 48-51, 53 ; one of several partners, Gow on Part. 150; one of. several joint executors who have proved the will, or even if they have not proved the will, 1 Chit. PI. 12, 13; one of several joint administrators, Ibid. 13; the defendant may plead the non-joinder in abatement. Arch. Civ. Pl. 304; see Com. Dig. Abatement, E 9, E 12, E 13, E 14.

12. – 9. If persons join as plaintiffs in an action who should not, the defendant may plead the misjoinder in abatement. Arch. Civ. PI. 304; Com. Dig. Abatement, E 15.

13. – 10. When the plaintiff is an alleged corporation, and it is intended to contest its existence, the defendant must plead in abatement. Wright, 12; 3 Pick. 236; 1 Mass 485; 1 Pet. 450; 4 Pet. 501; 5 Pet. 231. To a suit brought in the name of the "judges of the county court," after such court has been abolished, the defendant may plead in abatement that there are no such judges. Judges, &c. v. Phillips; 2 Bay, 519.

14. – 3. Relating to the person of the defendant. 1. In an action against two or more, one may plead in abatement that there never was such a person in rerum natura as A, who is named as defendant with him. Arch. Civ. PI. 312.

15. – 2. If the defendant be a married woman, she may in general plead her coverture in abateraent, 8 T. R. 545 ; Com. Dig. Abatement, F 2. The exceptions to this rule arise when the coverture is suspended. Com. Dig. Abatement, F 2, 3; Co. Lit. 132, b; 2 Bl. R. 1197; Co. B. L. 43.

16. – 3. The death of the defendant abates the writ at common law, and in some cases it does still abate the action, see Com. Dig. Abatement, H 34; 1 Hayw. 500; 2 Binn. l.; 1 Gilm. 145; 1 Const. Rep. 83; 4 McCord, 160; 7 Wheat. 530; 1 Watts, 229; 4 Mass. 480; 8 Greenl. 128; In general where the cause of action dies with the person, the suit abates by the death of the defendant before judgment. Vide Actio Personalis moritur cum persona.

17. – 4. The misnomer of the defendant may be pleaded in abatement, but one defendant cannot plead the misnomer of another. Com. Dig. Abatement, F 18 ; Lutw. 36; 1 Chit. PI. 440; Arch. Civ. PI. 312. See form of a plea in abatement for a misnomer of the defendant in 3 Saund. 209, b., and see further, 1 Show. 394; Carth. 307 ; Comb. 188 ; 1 Lutw. 10 ; 5 T. R. 487.

18. – 5. When one joint tenant, Com. Dig. Abatement, F 5, or one tenant in common, in cases, where they ought to be joined, Ibid. F 6, is sued alone – he may plead in abatement. And in actions upon contracts if the plaintiff do not sue all the contractors, the defendant may plead the non-joinder in abatement. Ibid. F 8, a; 1 Wash. 9; 18 Johns. 459; 2 Johns. Cas. 382 ; 3 Caines's Rep. 99 ; Arch.. Civ. PI. 309; 1 Chit. PI. 441. When hushand and wife should be sued jointly, and one is sued alone, the non-joinder may be pleaded in abatement. Arch. Civ. PI. 309. The non-joinder of all the executors, who have proved the will; and the non-joinder of all the administrators of the deceased, may be pleaded in abatement. Com. Dig. Abatement, F 10.

19. – 6. In a real action if brought against several persons, they may plead several tenancy, that is, that they hold in severalty and not jointly, Com. Dig. Abatement, F 12; or one of them may take the entire tenancy on himself, and pray judgment of the writ. Id. F 13. But mis-joinder of defendant in a personal action is not the subject of a plea in abatement. Arch. Civ. PI. 68, 310.

20. – 7. In cases where the defendant may plead non-tenure, see Arch. Civ. PI. 310; Cro. El. 559.

21. – 8. Where he may plead a disclaimer, see Arch. Civ. PI. 311; Com. Dig. Abatement, F 15.

22. – 9. A defendant may plead his privilege of not being sued, in abatement. Bac. Ab. Abridgment C ; see this Dict. tit. Privilege.

23. – 4. Plea in, abatement of the writ. 1. Pleas in abatement of the writ or a bill are so termed rather from their effect, than from their being strictly such pleas, for as oyer of the writ can no longer be craved, no objection can be taken to matter which is merely contained in the writ, 3 B. & P. 399; 1 B. & P. 645-648; but if a mistake in the writ be carried into the declaration, or rather if the declaration, which is resumed to correspond with the writ or till, be incorrect in respect of some extrinsic matter, it is then open to the defendant to plead in abatement to the writ or bill, 1 B. & P. 648; 10 Mod. 210; and there is no plea to the declaration alone but in bar; 10 Mod. 210 ; 2 Saund. 209, d.

24. – 2. Pleas in abatement. of the writ or bill and to the form or to the action. Com. Dig. Abatement, H.1, 17.

25. – 3. Those of the first description were formerly either matter apparent on the face of the ;Writ, Com. Dig. Abatement, H l, or matters dehors. Id. H 17.

26. – 4. Formerly very trifling errors were pleadable in abatement, 1 Lutw. 25; Lilly's Ent. 6 ; 2 Rich. C. P. 5, 8 ; 1 Stra. 556; Ld. Raym. 1541 ; 2 Inst. 668; 2 B. & P. 395.. But as oyer of the writ can no longer be had, an omission in the defendant's declaration of the defendant's addition, which is not necessary to be stated in a declaration, can in no case be pleaded in abatement. 1 Saund. 318, n. 3; 3 B. & B. 395; 7 East, 882.

27. – 5. Pleas in abatement to the form of the writ, are therefore now principally for matters dehors, Com. Dig. Abatement,H 17; Glib. C. P., 51 , existing at the time of suing out the writ, or arising afterwards, such as misnomer of the plaintiff or defendant in Christian or surname.

28. – 6. Pleas in abatement to the action of the writ, and that the action is misconceived, as that it is in case where it ought to have, been in trespass, Com. Dig. Abatement, G 5 ; or that it was prematurely brought, Ibid. Abatement, G 6, and tit. Action E ; but as these matters are grounds of demurrer or nonsuit, it is now very unusual to plead them in abatement. It may also be pleaded that there ii another action pending. See tit. Autre action pendant. Com. Dig. Abatement, H. 24; Bac. Ab. Abatement, M; 1 Chitty's Pi. 443.

29. – 6. Qualities of pleas in abatement. 1. A writ is divisible, and may be abated in part, and remain good for the residue; and the defendant may plead in abatement to part, and demur or plead in bar to the residue of the declaration. 1 Chit. PI. 444; 2 Saund. 210, n. The general rule is, that whatever proves the writ false at the time of suing it out, shall abate the writ entirely Gilb. C. P. 247 1 Saund. Rep. 286, (n) 7; 2 do. 72, (i) sub fin.

30. – 2. As these pleas delay the trial of the merits of the action, the greatest accuracy and precision are required in framing them; they should be certain to every intent, and be pleaded without any repugnancy. 3 T. R. 186; Willes, 42 ; 2 Bl. R. 1096 2 Saund. 298, b, n. 1 ; Com. Dig. 1, 11 Co. Lit. 392; Cro. Jac. 82; and must in general give the plaintiff a better writ. This is the true criterion to distinguish a plea in abatement from a plea in bar. 8 T. IR. 615; Bromal. 139; 1 Saund. 274, n. 4 ; 284 n. 4; 2 B. & P. 125 ; 4 T. R. 227 ; 6 East) 600 ; Com. Dig. Abatement, J 1, 2; 1 Day, 28; 3 Mass. 24; 2 Mass. 362; 1 Hayw. 501; 2 Ld. Raym. 1178; 1 East, 634. Great accuracy is also necessary in the form of the plea as to the commencement and conclusion, which is said to make the plea. Latch. 178 ; 2 Saund. 209, c. d; 3 T. R. 186.

31. – 6. Form of pleas in abatement .1 As to the form of pleas in abatement, see 1 Chit. PI. 447; Com. Dig. Abatement, 1 19; 2 Saund. 1, n. 2.

32. – 7. Of the affidavit of truth. 1. All pleas in abatement must be sworn to be true, 4 Ann. c. 16, s. 11. The affidavit may be made by the defendant or a third person, Barnes, 344, and must be positive as to the truth of every fact contained in the plea, and should leave nothing to be collected by inference; Sayer's Rep. 293; it should be stated that the plea is true in substance and fact, and not merely that the plea is a true plea. 3 Str. 705, Litt. Ent. 1; 2 Chitt. Pl. 412, 417; 1 Browne's Rep. 77 ; see. 2 Dall. 184; 1 Yeates, 185.

See further on the subject of abatement of actions, Vin. Ab. tit. Abatement; Bac. Abr. tit. Abatement; Nelson's Abr. tit. Abatement; American Dig. tit. Abatement; Story's Pl. 1 to 70; 1 Chit. Pl. 425 to 458; Whart. Dig. tit. Pleading, F. (b.) Penna. Pract. Index, h. t.; Tidd's Pr. Index, h. t.; Arch. Civ. Pl. Index, h. t.; Arch. Pract. Index, h. t. Death; Parties to actions; Plaintiff; Puis darrein continuance.

 

What does practicing have to do with what is defined as religion? It is certainly possible even necessary to accept a relion even if one doesn't practice it. That said the definition posted includes " duties of conscience" which is a more elegent way of saying obligations imposed on believers who practice the religion.

And your definitions are nonsense. Particularly supernatural, world view, truth, self- knowledge. You can use any dictionary to find the proper definitions. That said I did post the definition of supernatural already so if you need to you can go back and look it up.

 

First (as or when becoming adults) people come to religion not the other way around.

Your approach to religion is exactly the same as gubmint statist statutory threats that one shoe will fit all or your life will be destroyed through constant court battles, IMPOSED FINES, and in america, in violation of the constitution.

Statutes are FORCED and mandatory, enforced at gun point, a specific religion is NOT mandatory and you have over 3000 to choose from, pick one or bits and pieces from several and knit them to together to best fit your beliefs.

Its nonsense to believe in helping an old lady or donating to charity as part of ones religion and not do it.

Long story short its merely philosophy (ethics) until such time it manifests itself in actions others can see, (in the case of murder rape, theft, inaction) where it is then properly identified as a persons religion.

Its impossible to have freedom without freedom to 'exercise' which means practice your religion.


World view - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_view
Jump to Religion - It is a concept fundamental to German philosophy and epistemology and refers to a wide world perception. Additionally, it refers to the framework of ideas and beliefs forming a global description through which an individual, group or culture watches and interprets the world and interacts with it.

Religious views on truth - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_on_truth
Religious views on truth vary from religion and cultures around the world. ... However, it does sometimes use the word in the philosophical sense of veracity.
‎Buddhism · ‎The Four Noble Truths · ‎Christianity · ‎Hinduism

Supernatural - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernatural
The supernatural is that which exists yet cannot be explained by laws of nature. Examples often .... An angel is generally a supernatural being found in various religions and mythologies. In Abrahamic religions and Zoroastrianism,

The Buddhist pursuit of self-knowledge - BBN Community
www.bbncommunity.com/buddhist-pursuit-self-knowledge/
The Buddhist pursuit of self-knowledge ... too: what must be salvaged from religion in a postmetaphysical world – and how adequate to the human condition are ...

So we are left with the question, what kind of project can be adequate to the idea of the highest passion of subjectivity? One direction is towards self-knowledge. The attraction of wisdom is based on the bitter experience of folly and human misery, the haunting sense of the Fool’s judgment on Lear: “Thou shouldst not have been old before thou hadst been wise.”

Philosophy on religion
Philosophy of religion is the philosophical study of the meaning and nature of religion. It includes the analyses of religious concepts, beliefs, terms, arguments, and practices of religious adherents. The scope of much of the work done in philosophy of religion has been limited to the various theistic religions.
https://www.iep.utm.edu/religion/

That said I dont see what your problem with it could be since as we can see its all covered?

 

I feel like that is exactly what universal means, as per [here], [here] and [here] ("including or covering all or a whole collectively or distributively without limit or exception", my underlining).

But we have yet to agree on what your explanation below even means, so I guess we have to clarify that first.

Still not sure how that relates to the bell curve. Whether you are covered by a certain definition is binary (you either do or you don't), a bell curve is continuous over many values. The number of people covered by a definition is a single number, not a distribution. Neither of those seem to be anything like normally distributed.

Can you mention what you think the mean and the width of the distribution is? That might give me some idea even over what dimensions you're distributing stuff.

I keep struggling with the logic that brings you to that conclusion. I have spoken to many people and made myself perfectly understood. I don't know what logic you use to conclude that you need a degree in philosophy, but the truth is that very few of the people I have spoken to have had one, and there has been no problem. The need you insist on seems not to exist.

No, only doing so universally is complicated. If you do it instance by instance and only when the exact definition matters, it's simple and reliable.

 

Here we go again. You insist that there is no need to define religion, that the present day definition is just fine and dandy, that everyone can figure it out simply by stating how we are using the term. Well we can use your own post as an example. Its seems that after 100 posts explaining it from every angle you pick the most 'narrow' and extreme example despite my pointing out that there 'may' be a possible exception to the rule (I dont think there is).

Definition of universal
1 : including or covering all or a whole collectively or distributively without limit or exception; especially : available equitably to all members of a society

• universal health coverage

2 a : present or occurring everywhere
b : existent or operative everywhere or under all conditions

• universal cultural patterns

3 a : embracing a major part or the greatest portion (as of humankind)

• a universal state

• universal practices

b : comprehensively broad and versatile

• a universal genius

4 a : affirming or denying something of all members of a class or of all values of a variable
b : denoting every member of a class

• a universal term

5 : adapted or adjustable to meet varied requirements (as of use, shape, or size)

• a universal gear cutter

• a universal remote control

Despite being as clear as I could possibly be, and clearly used the term in a broad sense of part 3 and 5 you chose part 1 and underlined it no less.

You have made my case for me and it looks like dictionary writers need to do that with every word.

Of course we wont agree when its all taken out of context

answering all applicable points I gave in the definition with yes's (or if you prefer no's) and plotting them will give us the spread and that will yield a bell curve, the group of points are the spread. I mean seriously?

As you see its extremely difficult to be understood out here regardless how clearly one states the issues.

That makes no sense at all man.
Like I said this will result in a bell curve distribution, and I am not so arrogant to think such a complicated amalgamate of a word will never have one exception through out history, past present and future.

 

First problem is your list of imaginary definitions. Second of course the definition I provided is much more succint and covers all the requirements to define religion.

and practicing a religion is not required for something to be defined as a religion. You would probably be able to name seversl religions that you do not practice. I can accept an almost endless supply of different religions without practicing even one. There may even be religions in the past that no one practices anymore.

 

Well at least you have changed your definition of supernatural to something approaching reality. How about the rest of your bogus definitions?

 

so posting definitions out of wiki and elsewhere are imaginary? seriouslY?

 

Nope didnt change that, sure if you can show they should not be there I will be glad to change it.

Definition of Religion: The comprehensive personal and cultural practices of value and faith based beliefs, morals, duties of conscience, self-knowledge, truth, often an associated world view, worship, and may include a supernatural being or agency.

Personal - single individual
Cultural - 2 or more individuals
Practice - Corresponding actions or inaction resulting from a belief system
Faith - Acceptance of beliefs which are not necessarily be provable
Beliefs - Conclusions considered to be true
Morals - Personal law, Accepted standards typically with regard to right/wrong, good/evil, value judgements of conscience.
Commitments - The obligation to act in accordance with and adherence to ones strongly held beliefs
Self-knowledge - Careful understanding and realization of ones religion.
Truth - Recognition and acceptance of an ultimate reality
World-View - Ones morals compared to others morals.
Worship - Expression of reverence and adoration to that which one believes to be sacred.
Supernatural-Being - God
Agency - That thought to which fulfills the position of a God.
Sacred - Highest possible level of trust, reverence and adherence to the beliefs, attributes, laws, and doctrines of ones religion.

succinct is not a requirement for a definition, I proved that to you by posting abatement which has nearly 50 entries and when I post something that proves the contrary point and people try to pretend it was never said, I tend to start thinking troll.

Practicing your religion means practicing/exercising the attributes of your belief system

and the ones you do not practice are philosophy, hence not 'your' religion. That said anything that you believe from that religion and practice is part of your religion.

 

My mistake. I thought when you posted the Wiki definition of supernatural you were accepting that definition. Guess you still want to make up your own.

 

Sorry but we were defining religion not " your religion"

 

In addition to believing in a creator one must also worship that creator.

 

Thats a good one since I am agnostic, and by 'your' rules [atheist] and according to swensson I have no religion. Now I disagree, of course, since I am far more religious than many theists.

 

"The supernatural is that which exists yet cannot be explained by laws of nature."
yeh sounds like God to me, what do you feel I should change?

 

how does anyone know who worships a creator and how does that manifest itself? Are you saying I missed something?

 

Well of course first there is no evidence that god exists. There is also no evidence that anything supernatural exists. Any dictionary can give you an acceptable definition such as this one:

Supernatural | Definition of Supernatural by Merriam-Webster
Merriam-Webster › dictionary › supernat...
Definition of supernatural. 1 : of or relating to an order of existence beyond the visible observable universe; especially : of or relating to God or a god, demigod, spirit, or devil. 2 a : departing from what is usual or normal especially so as to appear to transcend the laws of nature.

 

well this is not about proving God or the existence of the supernatural, 'in this thread'. this thread is about compiling a definition that covers the greater majority of everything we call religion. If you want a proof about supernatural look in the atheist religion htread.

 

My post was about the fraudulence of your imaginary definition of supernatural.