No Alternative To "Catch and Release"?

It does happen with criminals. If they want to disappear, they can. Typically, the bracelet is used in conjunction with bail. It is not used with just any criminal.

What makes me question the link more than anything is the bond. That tells me your sample are probably a bit better educated and they have a lot to gain by not disappearing. Therefore your claimed 99% success rate is not transferable to just anyone.

 

Which is why we need to change the laws.

 

I agree but the courts require due process. Although removing a trespasser isn't punishment so I am not sure why they need due process. That would be like requiring judicial hearings before the police could remove people from your property or a military base.

 

Sorry but we have due process in this country. You DON'T want to take that away because once you do...it's gone for anyone.

Again. There absolutely ARE alternatives to "catch and release" that are both very effective and much cheaper than what Trump is doing.

He's doing this to fire up his base.

Period

 

So far you have no shown any. The one you touted so highly in the OP is not applicable to this situation.

To make it work, you have to be working with people who already have a willingness to come back to start with. These people realize that staying in the US after a hearing is not a sure thing and rather than take a chance, they simply disappear.

 

Try reading it again.

You seem to have intentionally misunderstood

 

There is no due process for the removal of a tresspasser except for illegal immigrants. All they really need to do is make law that will void the right to amnesty if one crosses the border illegally. This would shorten trials and also help stop them from using children to expedite their legal passage across the border.

 

It is not a matter of what it says. It is logic. None of the measures are stringent enough to guarantee they will come back for their hearing. What it amounts to is if they were most likely planning on coming back for the hearing, they will come back. If they don't want to come back, the measures will not guarantee they will come back.

 

Uhuh...sure

 

Illegal aliens cannot legally work.

 

Because a citizen with a home, family, friends, job, etc. is far more easy to track if they do decide to flee. Basically, a citizen would be signing up for literally a life on the run in their home country by removing that tracker. An illegal immigrant?.....not so much. Youd have no way to find them, and unless ICE starts doing immigration sweeps ( which they do not do), that person could live anonymously essentially indefinitely. If they did get caught, their punishment would be deportation which is going to happen regardless. They basically have nothing to lose by removing that tether. In the same vein, the courts would not tend to release a homeless person on a tether for the same reasons.

 

No Alternative To "Catch and Release"?

Catch and deport.

 

The question was...so ankle bracelets get removed often...and no evidence has been provided that they do.

 

Now Trump wants to deny due process.

Tell me this isn't getting like Germany in the 30s...

 

I agree with this.

It is amazing to me how nobody is thinking of the American lower classes when this issue comes up. People act like money is infinite and one area does not affect another. This is completely false....

The money we spend on illegal immigrants can and should be spent on American citizens and every dollar we spend on them is not spent on Americans.

No court cases, no jails, no nothing. We find them, process them for a few days until the next deportation medium comes, then let them go.

Period

 

It is not. The Nuremberg laws were based on racial purity. Trump does not have brown shirted goons harassing people in public in order to drive them out of areas. There are still courts and an electorate with power. Illegal immigrants are inconvenienced for awhile, while they are processed not thrown in prison or executed. The country is going backwards but it is not Germany on the 1930's. Damn it people stop it with that crap.

 

Intensive Supervision Appearance Program (ISAP)

This program started as a five-year pilot in 2004 and was for “immigrants in deportation proceedings who have been released from detention. The goal of the program is to avoid detention and allow immigrants to live with their families and continue working while their deportation proceedings are pending.” The second phase of ISAP began in 2010 and relied on electronic ankle monitors, telephone checkups that used biometric voice recognition software, unannounced home visits, employer verification, and in-person reporting to supervise participants. By February 2014, 95 percent of the participants in the ISAP II program were only monitored electronically.

ISAP II data in 2012, the last year for which data is reliably available, showed that 17,524 people left the program. Of those, 4.9 percent absconded and 4 percent were arrested by other law enforcement agencies. The other 91.1 percent complied with their court orders and either left the country or earned some sort of legal status. Appearance rates at immigration courts were 99.6 percent.

 

I just find it interesting that those who want our border the most open, will close themselves off from all the people they want to let in, as soon as it turns bad. Too many scifi authors have predicted everything that is going on now and what will happen if we continue on this path to destruction. They want to stop walls from being built now, only to end up living within smaller walls and compounds once we can't control the masses any longer. It really makes no sense. Why enclose yourselves in even MORE, 20 yrs down the road, when we can cut them all off now?

 

The question that I was specifically answering was "Does that happen with actual criminals? If it's so ineffective why do courts use it at all?"....

Does that look familiar to you?

 

Absolutely no difference.

And it has a track record of success

 

If there is no difference, then why did you bother posting that whole other question that wasnt in the post to which I was replying, and bogusly state that was the question?

 

To point out the absurdity of the claim.

And again...the track record of the programs mentioned above is over 90% ...

 

I repeat

 

What were the entry criteria for that program? Do you know?

If you follow the link from your link, it takes you to this site. It doesnt give much in the way of detail, but it does say this...."Since deportation proceedings tend to be quite lengthy, and often last years, ISAP can be a good alternative to detention for immigrants with families and community ties in the U.S."
http://www.landerholmimmigration.com/intensive-supervision-appearance-program/

…..while details for the entire program are scant, what does that sentence tell you? It tells you that the specific program that you are referring and the subsequent reported statistics, are relating to immigrants specifically with both family AND community ties in the U.S. Hmmmmmm…...that sounds a lot like what I said relative to a tether program needing the person to have ties that are traceable. It also does not sound like your typical caught illegally crossing the border detainee that is what has led to the separated family issue. The Intensive Supervision Program is not for that type of detainee. You are bogusly masquerading statistics as if they are relevant to what is being discussed and they most definitely are not. Of course you didnt know that because you stopped at the headline and because it said what you wanted it to say, you ran with it regardless. Now you are just a tad bit more informed. You are welcome.

 

Please quote something to illustrate that.