2 Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first,..." What is this 'falling away'?
John 6:60-67 "Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?61When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?62What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? 63It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. 64But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. 65And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. 66From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. 67Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?"
And yet in the same Light, there is no condemnation. Why would I suggest that a believer fall away or why would I make that believer's life more difficult than it already is? The body of Christ, to equip and edify. To build up and encourage. To keep in Truth and in Spirit. Not to allow for another member to believe in a lie which causes the 'falling away' if they go through something contrary to what was taught to them... With no Scriptural references how would any believer know if what was taught was actually the Word of God or the doctrines and commandments of man and men? Maybe even some doctrines and commandments of woman and women?? Example: 1 Corinthians 14:34 "Let your women keep silence in the churches:..." 1 Timothy 2:12 "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." Is this God's Word or man's or woman's? Has many 'fallen away' because of the difficulty of keeping this Church 'standard' and 'command'?
Why must a believer ask in the Name of Jesus Christ? Because if God were to give to any who asked, and if God were to provide for all that was asked for, there would be no Righteousness. But asking through and in The Name of Jesus Christ allows the petition to be accepted first, then granted by first Christ's acceptance of the prayer and then the Righteous provision for the Glory and purposes of Christ and The Holy Spirit to bring Glory to The Father of Jesus Christ in a given time frame which man has. And so to have His Father to receive 'worship' in Truth and in Spirit. John 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments." Which 'commandments' was He referring to if He said, "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another." - John 13:34 If 'a' new commandment is singular and not plural as in, 'keep my commandment(s)'? Why have many not received their prayer requests? Are they still within the Faith or have they fallen away because of them not receiving?
Or do you think that Christ Jesus is divided among Himself? It can somewhat be summed up as such: If Church is just like every body else, they are placing God as God of the unbelievers before God is God of the believers.
So how and why are things becoming the way they are? because of the 'signs and wonders'. Mark 13:22 "For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect." 2 Thessalonians 2:9 "Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders," Hebrews 2:4 "God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?" Romans 15:19 "Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ." 2 Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:" Did the majority of persons on Earth ask for a 'sign'? Rather than asking for a sign, why not ask for Righteousness? LORD, in The Name of Thy Only Begotten Son, Jesus Christ, I ask Thee for Thy Righteousness to be according to Thy Will upon Thy Earth and within Thy World. I thank Thee and ask Thee. Amen.
As it says in Titus 1:14 (CEV) = "Don’t pay any attention to any of those senseless Jewish stories and human commands. These are made up by people who won’t obey the truth."
At what point are you "in his name"? What does the expression "in the name of...." mean? Think of how it has been used throughout history. Think of an ambassador of any king, prime minister, president, etc. What does an ambassador do? What is his job? What are his obligations to the head of state? What does it mean for him to speak to a head of another country "in the name of his own king/prime minister/etc.?
right.. But there are many who don't believe any written thing but 'the truth' according to majority vote.
Well, usually the ambassador or representative of a King would say something like, 'I come to you by The Authority vested to me, by King James I, to establish this Colony, which will be called Jamestown'. or would it be Jonestown? The Peoples Temple was formed in Indianapolis, Indiana, in 1955.[8] Its roots and teachings shared with biblical church and Christian revival movements, it purported to practice what it called "apostolic socialism".[9][10] In doing so, the Temple preached that "those who remained drugged with the opiate of religion had to be brought to enlightenment — socialism."[11][12] In the early 1960s, Jones visited Guyana – then still a British colony – while on his way to establishing a short-lived Temple mission in Brazil.[13] After Jones received considerable criticism in Indiana for his integrationist views, the Temple moved to Redwood Valley, California in 1965.[14]In the early 1970s, the Temple opened other branches in Los Angeles and San Francisco, and would eventually move its headquarters to San Francisco.[15] With the move to San Francisco came increasing political involvement by the Temple. After the group's participation proved instrumental in the mayoral election victory of George Moscone in 1975, Moscone appointed Jones as the Chairman of the San Francisco Housing Authority Commission.[16] Unlike many other figures who are considered cult leaders, Jones enjoyed public support and contact with some of the highest level politicians in the United States. Jones personally met with vice presidential candidate Walter Mondale and First Lady Rosalynn Carter. Guests at a large 1976 testimonial dinner for Jones included Governor Jerry Brown, Lieutenant Governor Mervyn Dymally, and Assemblyman Willie Brown, among others https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown
The entrance to Jonestown Jones at an anti-eviction protest in front of the International Hotel in 1977 Born James Warren Jones
I suppose these Posts/Threads are an attempt to convince people to believe in and follow the path of Christianity, but to be honest they always remind me why I am Atheist. There is nothing positive or heartening to be found anywhere in this.
The Final Quest by Pastor Rick Joyner may be helpful in understanding the Great Falling Away. http://64.71.77.248/fq-protestant/tfq-en.html
