Supreme court rules against Muslims entering USA . Trump did it.

That reminds me of when a couple of interviewers from the government Census department (ONS?) visited me because I hadn't completed and returned the census form. My self-defence was that 'at the rate of immigration right now, the existing demographic(s) could well be significantly different in 6 months time, so what's the point of the Census?'. They readily accepted that, I made them a cup of tea, and we parted the best of friends.

 

As is typical of mouthy liberals, we see lots of talk but with something notably missing. A shred of EVIDENCE of any so-called Trump "lie" (a word spoken 3 times in your first 2 sentences)

As for the laughable assertion of a conservative/fascism connection, it can be noted that fascism is a system which is highly identifiable with a lot of power vested in a strong, central government, regulating and controlling the people. All aspects clearly identifiable to the DEMOCRATIC party, in America.

One of the last words in the English language that a wise Democrat would use is "fascism". laugh

 

As I said, I will reply MY WAY, not yours. And one need not look for (or "find") dirt on Islam. Islam is a 1400 year MOUNTAIN RANGE of "dirt"

 

That is something to assess when Trump's Muslim ban has been finished. Right now, we're just at the beginning.

 

Maybe you'd like to tell us about the alleged "facts". Then again, you had ample opportunity to do that, and you didn't.

 

When the Muslim ban is complete and in full proper order, ALL Muslims, from anywhere, will be banned from entering the US (with very few exceptions), and Islam will be under a 100% BAN, as the US Constitution has declared, for over 200 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_Clause

Thus, all mosques will be demolished, or converted to other uses, all Korans will be eliminated from bookstores, schools, libraries, all Islamic Centers will be shut down, the Muslim Brotherhood will be declared illegal along with their many front groups (CAIR, ISNA, MSA, FCNA, NAIT,etc), and efforts will be made to allow/assist Muslims wishing to self-deport, to do so.

In addition, of course, as in Italy et al nations, Islam will be declared > not a religion.

https://themuslimtimes.info/2012/05...-as-a-religion-denied-religious-tax-status-2/

 

No I'm not, but that is a typical tactic by your kind when you've lost the argument, but I think that you should be carefully watched as you clearly have a dangerous obsession against democrats and Muslims judging by your posts in this thread

 

Cerberus, with all due respect ...

You have to say it rightly and correctly to your opinion ... which is not completely my opinion ... to argue correctly!

As far as the Muslims are concerned, you have to look at it in two ways in our countries:

a) Muslims of various backgrounds living in our countries for 2, 3 or more generations (for whatever reason)
b) New, current immigration

Unfortunately, in a) it is a fact that both sides have completely failed in terms of integration ... ie the immigrants themselves, but also we as a society (to call it that way as "society").
In b) you are absolutely right, because here a lid on it must be done, at least largely, without throwing a core of our democracies and societies in the bin - humanity and religious freedom!

But as I said earlier in my answer to MGB ROADSTER, here's the thing with Trump again and again, something completely confused. It is primarily about the genrelle legal entry with visa on which a ban is now set ... immigration is here at best secondarily the speech.

For example, in plain English: A Christian who fled Syria to the US with his family in 1967 because of the regime of Assad's father then, must not be visited by parts of his remaining family in Syria ... simply because they Syrians are and thus potential Islamic terrorists as defined by Trump. This is just ridiculous with all due respect!

 

So the ban is permanent?

Yep, so difficult to walk across this

 

Sure ... no problem. To quote myself in the other thread ...

 

The trouble, mate, is that when Muslims enter a western country without first having background checks made to ascertain that they're bona fide, there's no way of knowing who is a harmless Muslim, and who is a radical Islamist, therefore the numbers must be reduced in order to make time for those background checks to be carried out in their countries of origin. It's their fault though, because they refuse to integrate into the host populations, and naturally that leads to suspicion. Don't forget, militant Islam declared war on us, not the other way around; and to make it worse, when there are no uniforms, there's no way of recognizing the passive Muslims from the militant ones??

 

What unmitigated gall to lecture America on who we should or should not allow into our country. FO

 

Who is that for? If it's for me please expand upon it, then we can have a respectful discussion on our different standpoints.

 

Err, this is nothing to do with immigration! This whole event is pure hype - how many tourists come from Libya, North Korea, Iran, Venezuela, Syria, Somarlia and Yemen. Apart from Iran, it's tiny and Iran have never been a threat.

 

No cerberus, it was for the OP. If it was for you, I would have quoted you. I gave you "likes" on both your posts on this thread. And because I'm such a delightful fellow, I'll like this one also.

 

Arh, someone is feeling angry LOL

 

Countries aren't the threat per se, individuals are.

 

Yes, but this whole event is just to appeal to the usual suspects. Look at which countries are missing from the terror list to get the idea. Travel bans do not stop any terrorist - look how long the 911 gang took in planning their attack - a travel ban would not have got in their way

 

Sorry GBM, the sun is just reaching my balcony and I'm getting ready (ie multi-tasking?) to get some of it.

 

A terrorist from one of the banned countries could easily travel to the airport of an 'un-banned' one for an onward flight to the US, that's my point.

 

If you are Muslim .. I understand why this victory bothers you..

 

I don't see how this is a counter argument to my post as that has also been my point ever since Trump first wanted the ban though in your example they would need to use a fake easily obtainable passport. Your post supports mine plus the fact that they can fly to Canada from one of the countries banned by the US, and then simply walk across the Canada/US open border into the US

 

I missed the blue highlighed text - when did Iranian individuals carry out a terrorist act in the US or Europe?

 

I am atheist and it bothers me, because the so called most powerful man on this planet creates and chatters one BS after antoher with a bunch of lies, fakes and halft truth ... and his followers are not even interested about what truth is!

If this complete BS of Trump would be an only internal American problem, I could and would it shrug off ... but unfortunately it isn't with the influence on the rest of this planet, including my own country.
And it bothers me too, finally ... when US people in this Forum atack me and my country with this BS arguments from Trump or other right wing trolls...

 

Well, since you Americans ... at least some of them in this forum ... like to have the habit of playing the Head Teacher and the Moral Apostle, not to say smartass to the things of other countries ... why not vice versa? Or is that a sacrilege?

Do you have anything to argue against the 3 facts ... or does it just upset you when an evil Foreigner like me puts clear facts on a US topic on the table, which are just uncomfortable for Trump fans?