Ohio: Four Illegal Alieans Kidnap and Rape Teenage American Sisters

Exactly. I agreed with you that its not just Democrats and gave an example.. What part of that is so difficult for you?

 

Got it you do not have an open mind on the opposition.

ok put aside Republicans and Democrats and you may appreciate that there are those who view DJT the way you view Democrats.

 

Try being honest about the reality that illegals do not belong in this country no matter what additional crimes they have committed aside from being here illegally.

 

Just another open borders Democrat trying to be funny.

 

This has been kinda a consistent theme from leftists throughout the thread and it's foundation as an argument is not just cracked its been ground to powder. FFS what kind of argument is this? It's just a stupid deflection opinion. Our own citizens are a problem we are stuck with. Criminal illegals are not! Deport them. I support DACA pathways and I support reformed immigration policies but the border needs to be secured. That's the first thing that needs to happen before we can move forward. Lemming leftists opinions on this forum are so boring. Your just babbling leftist talking points to try and get a few votes. Nevermind the fact that Schumer keeps blocking a deal for almost two million pathways for DACAS just because of the wall funding. Just for Nov votes.

And it's all going to blow up in the leftists faces. Watch.

 

Very well said. Cuts right through the BS machine.

 

We both said that all Democrat and all Republicans do not have the same attitude about illegals. So I will turn the question back at you since I was agreeing with you on that part what is difficult for you?

 

So Donald Trump says he's against illegal immigration but he's really for it like Democrats?

That just seems dumb.

Next thing you're going to tell me is that you support my right to own a gun, or if I like my doctor I can keep my doctor I like my plan I can keep my plan.

Collectivist will say anything to push their agenda and justify any action, especially lying.

 

Too bad that isn't what you said. You stated: You response did not fit my comment.

Which of course it did. I agreed with you it isn't just Democrats.

Now what.

 

It's not an "argument" it's a valid conclusion you can draw from the statistics. And I'm no "leftist" I've yet to ever cast a vote for anyone in the dem party at any level of government. The fact that you keep needing to bolster your idiotic banter by using divisive terms like "leftist" and "liberal" further show that you have no principles. Typical trumpist bullshit.

 

You can make an argument that NO illegals belong in this country - you'd be wrong - but you can make that argument. Just stop cherry picking tragedies to justify your cult leaders mantra.

 

Simply nailed RU style propaganda to the wall!

 

How? How is that argument wrong? Can you even begin to defend that claim of yours?

 

No not what I am saying. You view Democrats as being all wrong on all things. There are people who view DJT as being all wrong on all things.

Your reference to Obama's brain fart is not only out of scope of this current discussion it is not even similar. It is also very complicated and involved provider networks, provider sign ups, plan offering by insurance companies and a lot more. The AHC was about healt care financing not about health care delivery. Sometimes even Obama forgot that.

You can accuse me of others of being done mythical "collectivist" but that does not make it so. So put your collectivist accusations back in the basket of make believe.

 

Anyone brought up the "but but but we have rapists already here too so why is this any worse?" excuse in this thread?

Tell me, if you guys have a cockroach infestation do you just say "oh well they are already here, lets let them stay" or do you handle the problem to get them out your house?

 

I actually like the open border, abolish ice, Democrats. Unlike the Democrats of old, these Democrats are at least honest about what they stand for.

 

I think it is, yes. I believe, in general, that a man that comes here looking to make an honest living and become a productive and upstanding member of American society ought to be able to do so - with a bare minimum of bureaucratic friction. In any event, I think there's an optimum, or at least more efficient, solution to this problem. That is what we, as principled Americans, should be discussing.
What I vehemently disagree with is cherry picking a tragic event to support the argument you are making. It's lazy and repugnant reasoning.

 

We need to keep criminals out of the country, we already have enough.

But yes I also believe that if a person is a straight arrow and hard working and isnt here to just milk the system for what he or she can then I feel they deserve a shot at a good life. But we need a better vetting process and we need to totally curb illegal immigration .

 

AKA open borders

 

Illegal aliens are saving lives now? Where?

Here's an inconvenient fact, every illegal alien has committed a crime in America by being here ILLEGALLY. The only demographic that's even close is our prison population, but even a few of them are innocent, meaning no group in America is as criminal as illegal aliens...

 

I dont believe he means open borders. But a strong vetting system . it can be done.

 

No, it isn't pathetic to "pounce on" crime committed by illegals.....and yes, it has everything to do with the amount of crime committed by our own citizens. Unfortunately, we are stuck with the criminal element among our own citizens. It costs our communities and our law-abiding citizens tremendously to deal with the criminals who are citizens of this nation. It simply adds insult to injury to be victimized by criminals who had no right to be here in the first place. Crimes committed by illegals are crimes that could have been PREVENTED simply by not allowing the physical presence of the criminal. We don't have that option with our own citizens.

 

Guess folks forgot the context of the conversation. So, refocusing here. Two victims of violent rape were raped by folks in our country illegally. Those illegal immigrants were already violating the law. Their aggressive sexual violence has no place in our country. Had our border system worked, likely this rape would never have happened in this country.

For our liberal folk, why is it so desperately needed for our nation to tolerate these criminals in our nation? Do you folks expect that should you venture from our borders that your "illegal residency" in a foreign nation should entitle you to being outside of whatever host nation you found yourself in? Do you suppose that groups of US citizens would find a welcoming embrace from those said host nations after they brutally raped some locals?

 

Because its politically convenient to tolerate illegals and their crimes, and also for votes in the hispanic community.

 

Then try being honest. There is a legal process for entering this country. Get it? A legal process. Thousands take that route. Illegals do not follow this process so why should they be allowed to stay in a country where they have already proven they could care less about the law?