If the future of the democrat party is socialism----

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  1. logical1

    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If the future of the democrat party is socialism, then the democrat party as no future. This is the USA. People here know that socialism is a total failure. Why dont they learn from history?????
     
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    If the future of the Republican Party is a Putinesque Oligarchy, then the Republican Party has no future. This is the USA. People here know that Oligarchies all fail. Why don't they learn from history?

    We really, really need a viable third party in this country.
     
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    Not that I disagree with the third party stance.

    But you are making a gigantic false equivalency here.

    You just created what you think would be the worst thing that could happen from the Right, equating it to the worst thing that could happen from the Left.

    The big difference is that one is true and is being enacted, the other is completely your opinion. To try to act like this President has more central power than the last one is a lie.
     
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    If? The DNC is going all in, global socialist. They do more for illegal aliens than they do for their own constituents.
     
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    The DNC has formed a circle firing squad and they think Trump is in the middle. But Trump is in the White House sending out tweets on how stupid they are. Their only salvation is to move back to the middle. Obama left a stench on the DNC. The American people got tired of holding their noses and Trump came along offering a breath of fresh air.
     
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    For somebody with such strong opinions you don't seem to comprehend the difference between socialism and social democracy.

    now would you like to discuss how social democracy means the democrat party has no future?

    Judging from the NUMEROUS evaluations of quality of life, emotional well being and health, social democracy is doing rather well for its people. Its a long long way from the failure you wish it to be.
     
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    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When you run out of OTHER peoples money -------------------------------- then what do you do??????????????
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    WTF does that mean? Can you proffer an argument that isn't a friggin bumpersticker?
     
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    Total failure? Listen pally, if you and I were to debate "socialism" with an objective, neutral 2 or 3 "judges", I could prove you don't know what socialism is. Yet you pretend to know it's a "total failure".
     
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    What do illegal aliens have to do with the state owning all resources and means of production ?
     
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    These people are parroting BS. As this political and economic crisis advances and conditions deteriorate, they are falsely identifying more and more democratic concerns and interests as "socialist" and "communist". It's merely a trick to turn the public against everything but extreme right wing anti-democratic totalitarianism.
     
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    Have we not seen this same movie many many times throughout history ? Indeed we have. As wealth inequality increases the raging masses become just that. The finger of blame gets pointed in many directions right, wrong or otherwise.

    During such times we often see the rise of some authoritarian leader promising to solve all the problems if they would only give him/her more power. And the people often do.
     
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    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That came from Maggie Thatcher, and is very relevant right now.
     
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    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The reason that it is a total failure is the fact that the average person lives in poverty, and the government B'crats live in mansions. It is NEVER equal so it is a failure.
     
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    Lenin found out the hard way, after he assumed power, when most of his inner circle confiscated mansions from the Russian nobility and would not share the spoils.

    Lenin asked them why they acted in such a manner and he was told, "We did more than the others."

    Socialism is simply at odds with Human Nature.
     
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    again, NO friggin substance.
     
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    Lenin wasn't a socialist. He was a communist.

    I do agree that communism is at odds with Human nature. That is ultimately why it failed without a shot fired.

    I also agree that every system of governance has issues with corruption - it is afterall human nature we are talking about. Some deal with it more effectively than others. A constitutional democracy with strong supporting institutions is perhaps the most effective vehicle for mitigating that corruption.
     
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    Got an example of it not failing?
     
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    Socialism is on the rise and liberals are shook
     
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    Yeah a few dozen. Including that little country that sits above you on the map.
     
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    That’s a laugh, Canada is a federal parliamentary system under a constitutional monarchy unless you think Venezuela is above the US.
     
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    You should look into the first 50 years of the emerging new "capitalist" economy and how the monarchy criticized it.
     
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    They don't fail because they all have one thing in common, they have their dicks plugged in to a capitalist country ;)

    And that's the bottom line Son!

    Poor American feeding the world :(
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    HAHAHAHAAH! thats a good one. seriously seems you can't reconcile the fact that a social democrat also embraces capitalism and entrepreneurship and equal opportunity.

    Nope its a postively pavlovian reflex, the moment the letters s o c i a l are strung together the hackles rise and ears shut down and the knee comes up.
     
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    LOL, and you seem to think without capitalism you would stay afloat.. Canada and California both about the same size and both plagued with delusions of utopia :)

    Drugs and alcohol :)

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