We live in democracies, which are just socialist enough to provide welfare for those who need it, and free education for all. We provide these basic tools for survival within our own system. It's then up to us as individuals to utilise these tools. That's what a liberal democracy does, you know - provide options. Whatever you think 'equity' is, is almost certainly Disneyesque, and somehow - magically - doesn't involve effort on the part of some individuals. You should try the most 'equitable' of all .. Communism. I've actually lived it, and I have never worked harder in my life. That equality you think means an easier ride for some? is nothing of the sort. The reality is that EVERYONE ends up working their behinds off, no exceptions. It's the only way that EVERYONE can be taken care of, equitably.
This is correct. For the purposes of minimizing election fraud, it is sound policy to require identification to vote. I am well aware of what used to take place all throughout these United States of [North] America in regards to Black folks. Being that many or most Black people assign themselves to one of the two political parties (BEASTS), we are in the clear for the most part in regard to voting. With this said, it is a known reality that the Democrat party stand to gain new electors if Illegals are allowed to vote, which violates voting regulations. Also to gain, is the Republican party being that many Illegals will be courted by the Republicans, due to religious affiliation. So BOTH parties stand to gain from illegal voting, which is actual voter fraud and election fraud and is utterly disgusting but this is modern America, where nothing stands on solid ground, outside of people like me, who holds to principles and standards that are tried and true. I hope this brings some light to you and if it does not, that is entirely up to you.
I thought this discussion was about voting, but I guess I brought up something you couldn't answer, because suddenly we're off talking about economic systems. Again, the world is shitty as hell, why do all you not-cons who-act-just-like-one think the best solution to that problem is to make it even more shitty at every opportunity?
Today a Social Security number is provided at birth, the simple solution would be to include a voter ID number on the same card to be used and verified in a National database when voting. That database status could be updated as a result of death or incarceration for a felony or other reasons which would deny one from voting illegally.
I voted no because we should be controlling our borders effectively, and if we do, voter fraud will be a non issue. Requiring ID is just a band-aid, one that runs counter to American Idealism imo. But if we dont get control of our borders, Voter IDs will be sadly necessary...
I agree 100% that we need to start controlling our borders, but at the same time we need to assure our elections are performed lawfully. Perhaps it should be a felony to commit or be involved in election fraud, with a stiff fine and/or incarceration including elimination of the individual(s) right to vote or be involved in any way in future elections permanently. Immigrants who commit felonies should be deported as a result.
Take off your Rose Colored Glasses please. Voter fraud does exist even though it may be small. Even if it is a small issue there are a couple reasons to have an I.D. I cannot think of one inconvenience it is for someone to register to vote. People register for a drivers license, apply for Social Security, Food Stamps, Welfare, cash a check, cash a debit or credit card and numerous other reasons to show an I.D.. By presenting an I.D. the voter rolls can be updated and it also would stop people who show up at the polls and vote for someone else who is listed to vote. Unions like to use this tactic as a they can tell their people " you don't have to bother to vote we will send someone to it for you." It also helps stop people who are voting for dead people. The only people who would be against voter I.D. are those who would wish to game the system.
I see it as necessary even with secure borders too many illegals already here, how many no one knows. And since the left call a censor for illegals racist because they know the figures will horrify the US public we will never know.
Its often said by the democrats in the US that making voter ID mandatory will have negative effects on the poor and people of color because they for some unknown reason are not able to get such documents. Mexico however is a much poorer country than the US and requires all persons to get a state issued picture id card before voting. Voting is also mandatory there. If Mexico can do it the US can do it as well. The excuse that obtaining ID is difficult to impossible for the poor, for blacks and other people of color is simply nonsense and we should not allow it to be used by dems pushing open voting.
Total bullshit accusation. Absentee ballots skew Republican because of the military, and because the people that really care enough to vote even if it's inconvenient are Republican. I'm a Republican voter in my early 50s. I've missed one general election and a few primaries since I was 18, and yes, I have absentee voted. I've gotten my college sons to request absentee ballots. At least one of the two is Republican. There is no party line for us. Personally, I'm for all kinds of voting--election day, early voting and absentee voting. I don't think I've voted on election day for years. Partly that's because the early voting polling place is closer to my house than my regular precinct.
I will only talk for my own state (FL) which does require voter ID. We have a multitude of acceptable voter IDs, and I'll quote the FL Dept of State website. http://dos.myflorida.com/elections/contacts/frequently-asked-questions/faq-voting/
The important part of that is that a PICTURE ID is necessary, and most of the things it said were acceptable are not picture ID's. Credit Cards used to be but they've changed that. Old people can have trouble getting a picture ID.
Agreed. On the immigration threads, I've advocated making Voter ID the law of the land and requiring all employers, renters, real estate agents, etc to check voter ID as a qualification of legal residence. Oddly, some RWers have objected to this low cost twofer idea...probably because they are employers or apartment managers.
