Gun Control UK Style

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    Crazy stuff. Is there nothing you guys won't try and convince yourself of if you think it will somehow keep your guns safe ? :roll:
     
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    There is a saying that truth is stranger than fiction. This is just such a situation of that saying being factually correct.

    It is a matter of the truth, and it has already been demonstrated not only how, but also why it is the truth. If the truth cannot be believed by yourself, such is not the problem of anyone else other than yourself.
     
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    Its no more true than that the level of US gun deaths are somehow 'normal' in a civilian peacetime situation when gun huggers like it to be more like a wartime one where they can get the infinitesmally small chance to be a 'hero' .... just like in the movies :roll:
     
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    The out of hand dismissal on the part of yourself does not change the fact that the united states is not a first world, developed nation. It is heavily dependent upon the cooperation of other nations to keep it functioning in terms of manufacturing goods and providing it with funding. It is no more a first world nation than the nation of Mexico.
     
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    No, attempting to characterize countries as "First World, Second World & Third World" is as subjective as declaring a country "Developed", "Developing".

    America is a paradox that defies such blatant oversimplification.

    While the US spends more on defense than any other country in the world, projects its Military Power around the world & is the only country engaged in costly overseas conflicts, it has no universal health care, an incarceration rate second only to N. Korea, is one of the three countries in the world without guaranteed paid maternal leave, 45% of Americans have no access to public transportation & many neighborhoods look like 3rd World ghettos.
    For the wealthy & upper middle class, America is indeed a "Developed Country" but for the majority of Americans it is a developing or 2nd World country.

    I've already answered your first question yet you have refused to please clearly articulate precisely what it is that you are asserting & why.
     
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    A lot of words to say nothing! The separation between developing and developed country makes sense. Its also consistent with the deterrence theory applied by pro-gunner researchers. Look up Becker and Ehrlich if, like the rest of the pro-gunners on here, you're also ignorant of the approach adopted by these researchers. That puts economic variables at the forefront of the analysis.
     
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    As was stated by yourself, a lot of words to say nothing.
     
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    The sheer ludicrousness of that statement (and the fact that you keep repeating it in the defence of the indefensible) shows just how desperate you are to protect your toys, even at the cost of the total loss of your credibility. Non first world nations have consistently landed men on the moon before the US did .......right ? :roll:
     
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    Look around at those participating in the discussion. Has anyone other than advocate of greater firearm-related restrictions presented a coherent argument to demonstrate how the united states supposedly qualifies as being a first world nation, directly in line with other nations being deemed as first world by mere virtue of possessing universal healthcare and strict firearm-related restrictions?

    The united states possesses too much disregard for the rule of law, too many illegal aliens, too little healthcare, and too much violence, to be classified as a first world, developed nation. They are little better than the nation of Mexico.
     
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    Perhaps you should do something about that then. Proper gun control being a very good place to start
     
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    How would such be anymore effective in the united states than it is in the nation of Mexico? How would such do anything to improve the situation in the united states, and move it any closer to being a so-called "first world, developed nation" in the world? Will strict firearm-related restrictions make the hundreds of millions of firearms suddenly cease to exist, or otherwise forcefully remove them from the private individuals who own them? Will it prevent the public from acting on its own violent impulses against one another?
     
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    Well proper gun control will certainly help those 'violent impulses' from being lethal ones .... just like it does everywhere else in the developed world :roll:
     
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    Just be happy you're not a Brit. I sure AF am.

    At this point I think Britain is beyond help. I would migrate away if I lived there, probably somewhere warm like the Caribbean.
     
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    A British police officer I met at a training seminar a number of years ago recently reached out to me and we had a lot of fun catching up; but he shared with me that he is almost desperate at this point to emigrate to the U.S. to get away from the spiraling crime issues in the UK. His oldest daughter, who is 15, has already had to run away from three separate sexual assault attempts (fortunately he trained her how to take care of herself), and other members of his family, including his wife, have suffered unprovoked assaults.

    He is proud of being an Englishman, proud of his service as a police officer, but deeply disillusioned by the path his nation is on. When he and his family had traveled to the US for the seminar where he and I met, they had been stunned by how safe they'd felt in the nation they'd half-expected to be a Wild West shootout fest. The reality was an eye-opener to them. They've since traveled here twice more just for vacations (or "on holiday", as he puts it) and now are hoping to be able to find some property in Colorado.
     
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    Britain is fast becoming a doomed country, much like Germany.

    Consider that in Germany your conservative choice is Angela Merkel. Your leftist choice is Martin Schulz. This fact alone is enough to warrant migration. You have no real choice.

    Now it's May vs Corbyn in the UK, social democracy+++ bordering on socialism vs establishment corporate internationalist "conservatism". See ya later, I'd be out of there quick smart.

    Australia is doomed on the firearm liberty issue. Imagine if Reagan passed your gun laws, then the entire GOP revered him as some sort of God. This is the situation we face. The LNP isn't going to change things because their God passed the laws, and the left sure AF isn't a friend of gun owners.

    We're rapidly evolving into a German type situation with Turnbull (our current Prime Minister), who is definitely of May's ilk. Intersectional politics abounds.

    The world is ****ed. Buy a lathe and learn to gunsmith. Purchase unregistered weapons while it's still legal to do so in your country. The next time Democrats are in power they're going to stack the court. Democracies everywhere are winner takes all now.

    When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty.
     
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    Then why is it not working in the nation of Mexico, which possess far stricter firearm-related restrictions that most other countries in the developed world? Explain such.
     
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    The term "Developed World" has become a dangerously vague and subjective euphemism hijacked by Gun Ban Advocates for a few cherry picked, small, older, homogenous countries with universal health care, guaranteed paid maternity leave, tiny Defense budgets, lower incarceration rates, different climates & innumerable other ways in which they are nothing like the US.

    It would be more accurate to compare the two Superpowers or, since the US is disproportionately affected by immigration of Central American immigrants, comparing the US to Mexico would be more accurate than comparing the US to Norway.

    Briefly put, America is an incomparable paradox in that it leads the world in space exploration yet it has an incarceration rate second only to N. Korea.
    America can only be compared to America.
     
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    US-Mexico research? Try Dube et al. (2013, Cross-Border Spillover: US Gun Laws and Violence in Mexco, American Political Science Review, 107(3): 397-417): "To what extent, and under what conditions, does access to arms fuel violent crime? To answer this question, we exploit a unique natural experiment: the 2004 expiration of the U.S. Federal Assault Weapons Ban exerted a spillover on gun supply in Mexican municipios near Texas, Arizona, and New Mexico, but not near California, which retained a pre-existing state-level ban. We find first that Mexican municipios located closer to the non-California border states experienced differential increases in homicides, gun-related homicides, and crime gun seizures after 2004"
     

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