Abortion is a homicide, deal with it

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  1. FoxHastings

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    It's been an abortion law for years....you come to an abortion debate having no knowledge of abortion laws ????

    YOU make the claim that there is no law, that late term abortions are happening by the millions so YOU prove YOUR claim ….(and we know you can't :) )



    as soon as you address my post …WHY can't you? No ammo? No facts? No proof?



    FoxHastings said:
    What don't you understand about "Abortion isn’t legal when it is viable." That means there's a law against it.

    If there is a threat to the life/health of the woman and/or fetus it IS legal and should be...


    Uh, just because YOU don't understand it doesn't mean it doesn't exist :roll:


    No, it isn't "vague"...sorry if a woman's doctor doesn't consult YOU before he operates but the doctor probably doesn't value your opinion nor feel a need to heed it...


    If women live or die may be a "joke" to you but it isn't to them and they are the ones who count.

    Yes, pregnant woman all face the RISK of death in pregnancy (please look up the word "risk").
    That doesn't mean it happens in all pregnancies , there is a RISK of it happening.

    WHEN it happens the woman has every right , JUST LIKE YOU HAVE, to save herself from death.


    She may be free to BUT it's against the law.

    Only a person with a really low opinion of women would think women would endure 8 months of pregnancy to have an abortion for no real reason....

    If a woman asked for an abortion at 8-9 months she would be given a psyche evaluation not an abortion.

    But you are perfectly free to think all women are insane no matter how much proof there is to the opposite.
     
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    Yes, I would imagine doctors would do a C-section if her mental state was such that she'd hurt herself..
     
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    All I asked for was a link to the law against late term abortion. I couldn't find one and apparently you can't either.
     
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    What you "imagine" is not reality nor is it law.
     
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    Thank you for once more admitting you have nothing with which to address and/or refute my post with :)

    FoxHastings said:
    It's been an abortion law for years....you come to an abortion debate having no knowledge of abortion laws ????

    YOU make the claim that there is no law, that late term abortions are happening by the millions so YOU prove YOUR claim ….(and we know you can't :) )



    as soon as you address my post …WHY can't you? No ammo? No facts? No proof?



    FoxHastings said:
    What don't you understand about "Abortion isn’t legal when it is viable." That means there's a law against it.

    If there is a threat to the life/health of the woman and/or fetus it IS legal and should be...


    Uh, just because YOU don't understand it doesn't mean it doesn't exist :roll:


    No, it isn't "vague"...sorry if a woman's doctor doesn't consult YOU before he operates but the doctor probably doesn't value your opinion nor feel a need to heed it...


    If women live or die may be a "joke" to you but it isn't to them and they are the ones who count.

    Yes, pregnant woman all face the RISK of death in pregnancy (please look up the word "risk").
    That doesn't mean it happens in all pregnancies , there is a RISK of it happening.

    WHEN it happens the woman has every right , JUST LIKE YOU HAVE, to save herself from death.


    She may be free to BUT it's against the law.

    Only a person with a really low opinion of women would think women would endure 8 months of pregnancy to have an abortion for no real reason....

    If a woman asked for an abortion at 8-9 months she would be given a psyche evaluation not an abortion.

    But you are perfectly free to think all women are insane no matter how much proof there is to the opposite.
     
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    Seems like you are just repeating yourself in this. You claim there's a law against late term abortion but are unable to link me to it. I know of no such law and can't find one with a Google search so it seems to me you are mistaken. If I'm wrong it should be simple for you to link me to this law you say exist. When you claim it's illegal because there's no law saying it's legal you are mistaken. Laws tell you what you can't do not what you can do. If it's not explicitly against a law it's legal to do.
     
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    Thank you for once more admitting you have nothing with which to address and/or refute my post with :)

    FoxHastings said:
    It's been an abortion law for years....you come to an abortion debate having no knowledge of abortion laws ????

    YOU make the claim that there is no law, that late term abortions are happening by the millions so YOU prove YOUR claim ….(and we know you can't :) )



    as soon as you address my post …WHY can't you? No ammo? No facts? No proof?



    FoxHastings said:
    What don't you understand about "Abortion isn’t legal when it is viable." That means there's a law against it.

    If there is a threat to the life/health of the woman and/or fetus it IS legal and should be...


    Uh, just because YOU don't understand it doesn't mean it doesn't exist :roll:


    No, it isn't "vague"...sorry if a woman's doctor doesn't consult YOU before he operates but the doctor probably doesn't value your opinion nor feel a need to heed it...


    If women live or die may be a "joke" to you but it isn't to them and they are the ones who count.

    Yes, pregnant woman all face the RISK of death in pregnancy (please look up the word "risk").
    That doesn't mean it happens in all pregnancies , there is a RISK of it happening.

    WHEN it happens the woman has every right , JUST LIKE YOU HAVE, to save herself from death.


    She may be free to BUT it's against the law.

    Only a person with a really low opinion of women would think women would endure 8 months of pregnancy to have an abortion for no real reason....

    If a woman asked for an abortion at 8-9 months she would be given a psyche evaluation not an abortion.

    But you are perfectly free to think all women are insane no matter how much proof there is to the opposite.







    And you are simply repeating yourself because YOU COULD NOT ADDRESS my post :)


    You got your record stuck on something so absurd, claiming there are no laws against late term abortions ( a totally asinine ASSumption), NOT being able to prove it's true.

    You clung to and pinpointed that ridiculous idea BECAUSE you can't address my post ….


    YOU made the claim that no law exists so the onus is on you to prove it....but you'll have a hard time just like you're havinga VERY hard time addressing my posts :)…..your defeat is obvious and hilarious...
     
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    Wow what an emotional trigger. Why don’t you call it an adorable little toddler or maybe a puppy you can get more emotional mileage out of it. I have worked at abortion clinics and have never seen anyone have an abortion at six months without health issues of either the fetus or the woman.. I bet you never heard of any woman doing that. Oh if only you cared about one children as much as you do about ZEFs
     
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    Yeah it's kind of hard to prove a negative and you are the one that said late term abortion laws exist. They do not. You can easily prove me wrong by linking me to the law.
     
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    I'm sure it's very rare just as killing your child after birth is very rare but one is one to many and there should be a law to prevent late term abortion. Why would that even bother you if as you say it never happens?
     
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    “Partial birth” abortions are illegal. Most states have laws where viability makes it illegal. Women who are carrying babies that will not survive or who will be horribly damaged should have the right to make that decision. What you are doing is taking a hypothetical strawman and pretending that it’s something that is common place so you can deny all women abortions. It would be like me saying no one should have a gun because of the mass shootings
     
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    Apparently it happens and it should be illegal.

    A surgical abortion 6 months ago
    I am 23, and found out I was Pregnant 6 months ago.
    I didn't realise I was pregnant until I started being really sick and felt so tired. I did a pregnancy test on the Monday dinner, and it came back positive. So I phoned my boyfriend at the time, and he came round that night. I was so scared and I didn't know what to do, he was so calm and asked what I wanted to do, I didn't want to answer him, I didn't have a clue what I wanted to do, so I told him I didn't know and I didn't think I wanted to keep it.
    And he said he thought that was the right thing to do and he would sort it out. So we went to the doctors the next day to find out there was a 6 week waiting list for a termination on the NHS, so he booked privately for the Friday.
    I told him I wasn't sure I was doing the right thing
    For them three days I contemplated whether I was doing the right thing, and on numerous occasions I told him I wasn't sure I was doing the right thing, and that I wanted to keep the little baby.
    And he told me 'don't be daft do you really think you would be able to bring a baby up, do you really want to be one of those single parents?' (He obviously didn't want to stick around). I felt I had no choice, he was right I would struggle alone, and so I went through with the procedure. I had an abortion under a general anaesthetic, and when I woke up, I knew I had made the biggest mistake of my life. I cried my eyes out, it hurt emotionally so much.
    The nurses were good and calmed me down. He looked after me, and stayed with me that night, but anytime I tried to talk to him about it after, he has said he doesn't understand why I am upset we did the right thing, and it's done now so forget it. I wish it was that simple, I wish I knew how to put it behind me but I don't.

    https://www.pregnancychoicesdirecto...bortion/1140/a-surgical-abortion-6-months-ago
     
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    Thank you for once more admitting you have nothing with which to address and/or refute my post with :)

    FoxHastings said:
    It's been an abortion law for years....you come to an abortion debate having no knowledge of abortion laws ????

    YOU make the claim that there is no law, that late term abortions are happening by the millions so YOU prove YOUR claim ….(and we know you can't :) )



    as soon as you address my post …WHY can't you? No ammo? No facts? No proof?



    FoxHastings said:
    What don't you understand about "Abortion isn’t legal when it is viable." That means there's a law against it.

    If there is a threat to the life/health of the woman and/or fetus it IS legal and should be...


    Uh, just because YOU don't understand it doesn't mean it doesn't exist :roll:


    No, it isn't "vague"...sorry if a woman's doctor doesn't consult YOU before he operates but the doctor probably doesn't value your opinion nor feel a need to heed it...


    If women live or die may be a "joke" to you but it isn't to them and they are the ones who count.

    Yes, pregnant woman all face the RISK of death in pregnancy (please look up the word "risk").
    That doesn't mean it happens in all pregnancies , there is a RISK of it happening.

    WHEN it happens the woman has every right , JUST LIKE YOU HAVE, to save herself from death.


    She may be free to BUT it's against the law.

    Only a person with a really low opinion of women would think women would endure 8 months of pregnancy to have an abortion for no real reason....

    If a woman asked for an abortion at 8-9 months she would be given a psyche evaluation not an abortion.

    But you are perfectly free to think all women are insane no matter how much proof there is to the opposite.









    And you are simply repeating yourself because YOU COULD NOT ADDRESS my post :)


    You got your record stuck on something so absurd, claiming there are no laws against late term abortions ( a totally asinine ASSumption), NOT being able to prove it's true.

    You clung to and pinpointed that ridiculous idea BECAUSE you can't address my post ….


    YOU made the claim that no law exists so the onus is on you to prove it....but you'll have a hard time just like you're havinga VERY hard time addressing my posts :)…..your defeat is obvious and hilarious...








    And you are simply repeating yourself because YOU COULD NOT ADDRESS my post :)


    You got your record stuck on something so absurd, claiming there are no laws against late term abortions ( a totally asinine ASSumption), NOT being able to prove it's true.

    You clung to and pinpointed that ridiculous idea BECAUSE you can't address my post ….


    YOU made the claim that no law exists so the onus is on you to prove it....but you'll have a hard time just like you're havinga VERY hard time addressing my posts :)…..your defeat is obvious and hilarious...




    I can do this as long as you can, I delight in the opportunity to show you have nothing, no facts, nothing to debate abortion with.




    Next you'll want me to have to prove the sun rises in the east....most people wouldn't need that.
     
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    WELL put and true...…!!
     
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    Ok we can just leave it at that and I won't bother you with any more facts. In your mind late term abortion is illegal and there is a law against it. Have a nice day.
     
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    Uh, so she found out 6 months ago that she was pregnant...….how far along was the pregnancy?

    At what time in the pregnancy did she have an abortion?
     
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    Uh, you haven't presented any facts , just begged for verification of what everyone knows so you can sidestep answering those inconvenient posts of mine :)
     
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    Duh, she said she had the abortion six months ago...she wasn’t six months pregnant so your story is silly. She made her decision and if she regrets it, it still was her decision
     
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    Doncha love it when their own link makes a fool of them :)
     
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    Isn't surgical abortion only for late term abortion or am I mistaken
     
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    By the way I stumbled on this and it answers your assertion that late term abortion is illegal. Apparently not.

    "The Senate rejected a ban on late-term abortions late Monday. It was an unsurprising outcome, but such a ban is a big priority for anti-abortion-rights politicians in Congress.

    The bill would have banned all abortions after 20 weeks on the grounds that the fetus would feel pain and suffer during the procedure.



    Abortion is legal in the U.S. and protected as a right to privacy. But why would any woman want such a late-term abortion, anyway? And can a fetus really feel pain?

    Dr. Daniel Grossman of the University of California San Francisco boiled it down to a series of tweets.

    “Research has shown a fetus does not yet have the capacity to experience pain until at least the third trimester, and unlikely until birth,” he said in one tweet addressed to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, a Kentucky Republican."

    https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/doctor-just-explained-late-term-abortion-twitter-n842611
     
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    I saw no mention of "surgical abortion"....just an abortion.

    :) All you could show was ONE woman's experience and feelings having AN abortion. :) It proves NOTHING... :)
     
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    Huh?


    A surgical abortion 6 months ago
    "I am 23, and found out I was Pregnant 6 months ago.
    I didn't realise I was pregnant until I started being really sick and felt so tired."
     
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    """banned all abortions after 20 weeks """

    ….the Repugnants wanted ALL late term abortions banned even those where the life of the woman was in jeopardy....and shorten the time from 23 weeks (VIABILITY) to 20 weeks (NOT VIABLE WITHOUT ARTIFICAL/EXTRAORDINARY MEANS)
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    I saw no mention of "surgical abortion"....just an abortion.

    :) All you could show was ONE woman's experience and feelings having AN abortion. :) It proves NOTHING... :)



    It may have been a "surgical abortion " but that was NOT stated in her comments as YOU claimed.....


    It did NOT state how far along she was....it stated she found out 6 months ago that she was pregnant NOT that she was 6 months pregnant.....
     
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