Chancellor Merkel compares USA under Trump with late USSR

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  1. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    No, correct. Private producing assets were confiscated in the Soviet Union, China, Cuba, Vietnam, and other socialist countries. They were not confiscated in Nazi Germany. Italy under Mussolini, Spain under Franco, Chile under Pinochet, etc.
    No, they do collectivize production.
    No, the totalitarianism is used to confiscate private property and collectivize production.
     
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    No.
    They attempt to.

    What I am trying to do and what I succeed in doing are not the same thing.
    I don't judge a socialist by his results.
    Just because no one has ever created a socialist paradise does not mean that there are no socialists. There are and have been, loads of them.
    They are not just "trying to be" socialists, they are socialists. They just aren't in control of everything they wish to be.

    Hitler, took early retirement. He didn't get to finish the job.

    Hitler confiscated privately property and collectivised production.
    FFS he even took their teeth.
    The profits of all war production went to the state. He took ownership of it for the nation.

    His privatisations were used as a method to gain control over that production. A means to an end.
    The end he was shooting for was socialism. National Socialism.

    He was a self proclaimed socialist and leader of the most famous socialist party in history. As you well know.

    Bad football analogy. In football the person placed in the key position to score goals is called "a Striker".
    Regardless of if he manages to score goals or not, he is still "a Striker". Even if he finds himself out of position and running up the wings, he is still "a Striker". It is not dependant on his scoring any goals.

    Hitler may not have succeeded in turning Germany into a complete socialist state as per your satisfaction, he didn't succeed in conquering Europe either, but that was still his aim. He was still a socialist.
    Fascism is a socialist political movement. Communism's cousin.
     
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  3. Polydectes

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    interesting you think people that know more about International Commerce than you babble do you also think people that know more about medicine than you babble?

    In Germany sit around talking about people in the USA I'm surprised we occupy that much time in your life.
     
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    Not really.
     
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    Dude you cant count till three and want tell me you know something?
     
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    You can't speak English "count till three" what does it mean three o clock?

    Do you think there's like some sort of law here that doesn't allow people to count till three o clock?
     
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    so what country is bad because it has different priorities? If you don't like our priorities you don't have to live here and you can talk to people talk them into paying more taxes to fix the roads around the airport.

    it's really simple repairing streets and such cost a lot of money to do. And in New York the cost of living is already extremely high you have federal income tax and then you have state income tax so it takes a lot more money per diem to live in New York. Maybe they're not so impressed with state-of-the-art roads and bridges maybe they would rather have their money.

    well buildings are typically privately owned thus they are privately maintained and there is likely property taxes collected from the owners of such Billings if there wasn't they would be seized by the government and condemned and sold. So those buildings that hurt your little feelings are paying for infrastructure.

    I don't know how it works in France and Germany I'm pretty sure they pay a lot of taxes if the government just fixes everything.
     
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    I'm more astonished that he's a kitty cat tricky it is to teach a cat to type?
     
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    What are you going to do to those illegal immigrants when they are old and sick in 15 years, kick them out?
     
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    Its a german saying. Someone who is rather well you know...dim in the head is called someone unable to count till 3.
     
  11. Polydectes

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    Sure it is.
     
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    Well, you provide them with housing, food, Internet and they call home and tell their friends and relatives how good they got it for just showing up. Guess what, those friends and relatives will want to come as well.
    In the US at least you must work - nobody is going to give you free stuff.
     
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    Who said they cold not.... and what nations liked Trumps comments in relation to "protecting" Germany.

    You are deflecting.
     
  14. LangleyMan

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    No, he does have a point. We don't spend enough money on infrastructure.
     
  15. LangleyMan

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    Who said the U.S. is "bad?" It's just influenced by wrongheaded thinking.
    If you don't like people criticizing your approach to running the country, why don't you move to one where people don't have the right to speak their minds?
    It's more than money. Why would we allow fast food places to put up their ugly, eye-catching buildings on our main streets?

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    Then there is the crumbling infrastructure...
    So? We don't have to let people put up ugly buildings, ugly signs, or allow them to let their property fall into disrepair.
    Non-responsive.
    It doesn't work that way.
     
  16. LangleyMan

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    Tens of millions of people want to come here--so what? We don't have to let them in. If we allow someone to come here and stay, we should help them adjust.
    Wrong. Some people get more than their share, many through graft. Others too old, too young, or too sick get help. But that doesn't mean we should just hand stuff to immigrants without asking them to contribute.
     
  17. LangleyMan

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    People don't get old that fast.

    We need an effective e-verify program that includes prosecuting people who hire illegals, even as casual or day labor, and then we can decide what to do with and about illegals here now. I think we carefully consider the cost of retaining a lot of older recent arrivals.
     
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    Well we could do work on our infrastructure. I doubt there's a such thing as enough
     
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    If the US were to fulfill its treaty obligations in NATO and have not retreated for 20 years, and the US's role in NATO simply gives Europeans a big boost without asking them a lot ... then yes, maybe the US has one Touch of right to complain!
    But since the US does not do that, they just have to shut up and stop chattering about this fairytale and that total lie about "it costs the US taxpayer money"!
    IT DOES NOT COST THE US TAXPAYER'S SOLE CENT AND THAT IS FACT!

    If the US wastes taxpayer money in armor ... again, they are # 1 and the next 5 in the rankings do not even spend so much money together ... because they want to be present around the world around the selfish and If you want to play policeman only on your interests focused world, then this is your problem, but not that of NATO. And ask for America First here?
    How much do the bases in South Korea and Okinave cost again in the year?
    Really great America First if you (supposedly !!!) want to defend there South Korea and Japan!

    I have never denied that the 2% is to be met if there is a need for the military ... because only spending 2% on paper without need is wasting taxpayers' money.
    Only the United States does not even have the right to criticism and just to shut up. As stated above, despite a gigantic budget they do not even follow their contractual obligations within NATO and as long as they do not, it is just impudent what Trump and his followers are talking about!
    And thankfully, like in our social welfare systems, we do not have this US bullshit and it's perfectly right to invest taxpayers' money because the taxpaying population serves them!

    And imagine ... the Europeans as the EU, but also each country individually, yet brazenly have their own interests and will no longer subordinate them to the will of the United States as before! Maybe you should start to subordinate to the will of us ... if you are already thanks to this piece of **** in the White House already no longer willing to act as an equal partner among eligible partners?

    Since you no longer fulfill your obligations to NATO ... but because of the 2% playing the smart guy ... and using your bases here for anything that has nothing to do with NATO ... why should we Scammers and smarties still want to have there?

    Can you give me a good reason?
     
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    This post is a total mess and I'm not parsing through it.

    The United States is a capitalist or at least sort of capitalistic and that has done wonders for not just our country but the entire world so that's not wrong headed. It may be something you disagree with, but that doesn't equal wrongheaded.

    I will say it's probably a good idea to cut Social programs and spend that money on infrastructure I agree with that.
     
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    Didn't say that, but you used your NATO bases in Europe for this attack in 2003 and was dependant on them for the operations.

    And honestly I see the Ukraine issue not as an attack of Russia. That Crimea stood to be part of Ukraien after end of USSR should have been corrected since long ... because it depends to Russia!
    The same is for the Donbass given... where 75% of population are Russians.
     
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    Nothing to do with capitalism. Germany is a capitalist country too. But we dont allow this kind of ****.

    Your freedom ends where it touches someone else freedom.

    Such gigantic ugly billboards would be banned here. You are responsible to keep your property in good shape.
     
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    You're full of it.
    Which has absolutely nothing to do with my point.
    Which social programs? Medicare? Social Security? People paid already. Medicaid? 42% goes to long-term care for indigent seniors. Are you going to put skilled nursing patients in the street?

    We may have to raise taxes.
     
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    Hence, German urban areas are pleasing to the eye.
     
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    No they aren't.
    They are all new build crap.

    The place got flattened. It's ugly as ****.
     
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