Russia kills its F-35 Killer

Where the Kurds are concerned I'd be more concerned about Turkey than Russia.

 

Care to give a link?

Thats older news compared to the other.

So the mass production would start in 6 years and would be 12 planes?

 

Absolutely. Stop sending them those damned T34's and Yaks. Then we could've gone on to China to support our gallant Nationalist allies -- against a bunch of commie peasants with pitchforks, no problem -- over into Korea and down into Vietnam, little tiny fellers they are, easily whipped. Greatest industrial power on earth, against Asiatics, I mean, come on ... a turkey-shoot. Home by Christmas. OOOOOO-Rah!!!

 

Here, just for you - link in Russian:

https://militaryarms.ru/novosti/kak-amerikanskij-f-35-pobedil-rossijskij-su-57/

 

Authoritarian nations are always better at keeping secrets than free nations. Something to think about.

 

Except for when Pootin releases concept cartoons before the final product is even ready.

 

He's former KGB. I suspect he had a plan. Russians don't take a dump without a plan.

 

Go to post No. 154.
https://forum.keypublishing.com/sho...s-and-Discussion-version_we_lost_count!/page6

Not by much and shows the project is not cancelled.

12 planes till 2020 after then mass production (follow link as above).

 

Only states mistranslation, always possible of course.

No doubt keeping a prodution line active hoping for orders, its seems russia keeps scaling back the number of fighters it produces every year.

 

In these cartoons was a mixture of technology demonstrators, and already in the arming systems.

 

Also in at least one of them was the state of Florida. Not cool.

 

Of course, Russia cut production after it saturated the need for aviation. Why do we need thousands of new aircraft, when there are enough hundreds? Russia is big, but as long as we have nuclear weapons, we can not be afraid of a direct invasion. Aviation is required only for local conflicts, such as Syria. But for such a scale of aircraft is already enough. Why do we need more?

 

I agree with you, it was primitive and stupid.

 

Thanks for the entire post. As for what is needed "in" Russia, I agree, but given Russia's poor economy, I suspect they can make a lot of money selling modern weapons to other nations.

As for SU-57s fighting F-22s, they don't have to be Russian vs. American fighters.

 

Yes, of course, arms exports can replenish the country's budget well. After the outbreak of the war in Syria, Russia entered into arms contracts for more than $ 50 billion. Of course, this is less than the export of oil and gas, but more than even the export of wheat And this is more than the entire annual defense budget of Russia But to sell the Su-57 while Russia is in no hurry. Still not received all income from sales of the 4th generation. Now the main potential buyer of the Su-57 is India. But India has always been a very complex and cunning partner.And now the next dances of Bollywood have begun: "No, we will not buy, it's bad!" / "No, we do not refuse to buy!" - as it always happened with Indian contracts, they know how to knock down prices

I very little believe that the Russian pilots will fight in the air with the Americans. This has not happened since the Korean War. It is also very unlikely that such battles can occur in other leading countries of the world. Today such wars are not in vogue Such wars can only be waged by the countries of the third world, as was the case with Ethiopia and Eritrea, when the Su-27 fought against the MiG-29. But this is definitely not the history of the near future.

 

Americans and Russians need to stop spending so much time looking at each other, and look further East.

 

Thats what I am saying, russia for a while tried to keep up with the US but its clear now it has given up .

 

)), Berlin airlift 49....400000 Asiatic russkis finally cried "uncle" against maybe what....50000 US troops....who said anything about home by Xmas, same as in Afghanistan, mujas with stingers basically crashed the mighty SU....lol.

 

The Berlin airlift worked,therefore a shooting war with Russia would have worked? Someone should have told Truman.
Afghanistan, yes. Instead of counter-invading and fighting the Soviets and their proxies man to man, we roused up the sleeping sons of Muhammed -- "Them thar commonists are atheists, they're trying to teach your women how to read!, here have some Stingers ..." -- and it worked! The Russian infidels were driven out. Then some other infidels stepped in to take the Russians' place and these new infidels are still there, at least crouched down behind the sandbags in Kabul, wondering how to follow the Russians out. And other sons of Muhammed all over the region saw how easy it was, and also woke up. Stingers were good, but hijacked passenger jets are better. Great move!!!!

 

I doubt the commies were there to teach their women how to "read"....more like systematic genocide to get rid of the population and forcibly incorporate it to the CCCP.

Seems we can be their to stay by the looks of it.
We had a "shooting" war with the russkis....in Syria...back in Feb., 300+ dead russian troops, Zero US, odds were good!

 

No, they had the same aim as we had in Iraq: get in a government that would transform the place into a country congruent to our own in terms of the way it worked.

In their case, this involved killing the more radical wing of the leftist military government that had made a revolution there a year earlier, and bolstering a more moderate (but still leftist) one.

All over the Third World you have had 'leftist' revolutions, often involving a wing of the officer corps, who have gotten tired of living in a poop-hole, and want a modern country -- not democracy or human rights or any of that stuff, but paved roads and flush toilets and a population that can fly airplanes and change the oil in the tanks. And incidentally support some nice fat businesses that they can put their sons on the board of directors of.

The Taliban and similar scum kill teachers routinely ... but it started in the 1980s, when these scum were being armed by us.

As for the confrontation in Syria, where all those Russian mercenaries were killed... what did they think they were doing? Reading about it, I was reminded of the four Blackwater mercenaries in Falujah in 2004 ... did they think they were invulnerable?

On the other hand, I wonder if we're being told the full truth about the whole thing. For instance, look here.

In that part of the world, all sides lie a great deal.

One thing is certain though: there is only one player out there who really aches to see the Russians and the Americans go at each other. If it happens, there will be many heartfelt cries of Allah Akhbar!!

 

Last I recall, there were no weapons of mass destruction in astan back then, just a lot of opium fields, and a possible springboard to the Indian Ocean for the vatniks....250k troops didn't go there for just some "manicures".
They had the luxury of an unobstructed land route, and still got ass raped in a big way!.

The russki mercs in Syria figured they could just push the US outta the area....bad gamble, and it cost em big time!
And these mercs weren't just some generally discharged army grunts, privates, corporals.
They were former, spec ops, GRU, FSB, and they still got clobbered. This awaits on any move on a NAto base, only it'll be far worse.

 

Your ideas about Russia are amazing Russia did not try to keep up with the United States. It, after the collapse of the USSR, collapsed below the level of third world countries. Russia can only keep pace with only African countries. Only in recent years, Russia has got out of this abyss, once again entering the world arena. Where have you been all these years?

 

Russia has totally different defense and security needs to the United States, and in fact to every other country in the world.

It's a simple matter of geography. Look at a globe and trace your way along Russia's borders. Pay special attention to Kazakhstan, whose population is 25% Russian and 60% Muslim, itself bordered by three other 'stans' where Islamism is an ever-present threat.

Then look at the North Caucasus Federal Republics -- a summary of the problems in these places can be found here. The savagery of ethnic conflict in this area is beyond belief: if you've got a strong stomach, read about the Georgian/Abkhazian dispute ... in particular, here.

The possible problems in these places require a certain kind of military capacity -- generally not budget-busting jets with the latest fancy electronics. Where high-tech military capacity may be needed in the future is on Russia's border with China, but that's another story.

Russia doesn't really face any conventional threat from NATO in Europe, and -- provided the indigenous Baltic people don't go mad and start purging their Russian citizens -- nor does Europe face any threat from Russia.

Assuming, of course, reasonably rational people in charge in both areas.

Russian interference in American internal politics was and is a terrible idea, for Russia itself. Short-term gains will be far outweighed by long-term resentment, and tainting the people in the US who are arguing for a sane policy towards Russia, as tools of the latter. (The strongest propaganda the Cuban dictatorship has is its clandestine videos of Cuban dissidents receiving American dollars.)

Russia certainly has an interest in getting a sane administration in Washington that will deal with the Russians as a peer power, and co operate with them where there are shared goals. But the way to do this is by making their case to the American voting public, who have no deep-seated hostility to the Russians and in fact would, in their great majority, welcome a closer relationship. Despite the current Trump-driven mania, generally American liberals are not for an aggressive foreign policy, and American conservatives have been in a subdued mood following Iraq (plus the fact that Russia is socially-conservative is a plus with the evangelical wing of American conservatism).


And of course Russia can advance its interests by lobbying in Washington -- Israel shows how this is done, and what rich rewards can be reaped from it. (Not to mention that if Russia plays a positive role in the MIddle East, from Israel's point of view, they will automatically get the support of the most powerful lobby in Washington.)

Putin should throw a few hackers and poisoners under the bus and apply his famously cold logic to doing the smart thing.