Suppose Obama is of Kenyan birth

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  1. ECA

    ECA Well-Known Member

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    Glad you finally admit it. Move on.
     
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    Ahh, when you mention "racists", you do know you are talking about Liberals, don't you? Nowadays, everything is about race to the Left.
     
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    I try, but when I see someone with their hair on fire, the Devil makes me hide the fire extinguisher.
     
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    Actually those who belligerently refused to even question Obama's
    birth given he was not nor ever qualified as Natural-born means the
    Derangement existed with Obama supporters like Chris Matthews.
    Matthews had a policy on - Hardball - to ask every politician
    appearing on - Hardball - if they believe Obama is an American citizen.
    Was Barack Obama born in the U.S.And Matthews would not allow
    the conversation to flow w/o getting an answer.Any Pol who said.
    when asked if Obama was born in the U.S. " I dunno " was hounded
    until they gave an answer." I dunno " was not accepted by Chris Matthews.
    Matthwes also said of Obama ... " The guy's as clean as a whistle ".
    Insinuating that it is virtually an impossibility for President Obama to
    have a Scandal.Any scandal.Like it was Impossible.
    That is Obama Derangement Syndrome.Meaning support outside
    the boundaries of sanity or reasonableness.
     
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    Natural born is NOT confusing.. Its covered in the statutes.

    Try to remember.. there are only TWO kinds of US citizenship.. Natural born and Naturalized.
     
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    Good point. I didn't know that about Matthews; I never watch him.
     
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    And we wonder why there are still so many birthers!!!!
     
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    Still peddling this racist BS.

    Watching the far right wing do another round of circle jerk over birtherism just confirms what this is really all about.

    Bigotry, pure, simple and deplorable.
     
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    <Rule 3>
    The concept of Natural-born citizenship derives soley from
    Article 2,Section 1 and the Founder's original intent for that
    part of the Constitution.
    This Native-born bidness was an attempt in Redefining the original
    meaning of Natural-born.
    Like the way Obama forced the redefining of marriage.
    Remaking to accommodate Same-sex partners.Because they vote
    also ... Don't ya know.Same with Illegals ... all down the line.
     
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    It may be racists, but I think mostly its just ignorance..
     
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    No it doesn't.. <Rule 2/3>

    8 U.S. Code § 1401 - Nationals and citizens of United States ...


    www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1401

    a person born in the United States to a member ... was a national or citizen of the United States under ... Regulations for which this US Code section ...
     
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    Again ... Why is being a Birther a bad thing.
    You do realize it was those like Hillary Clinton who ACTAULLY
    were the First Birthers.Because her and The Father of Birtherism
    Jonathan Turley caused a stir over GOP candidate John McCain's
    eligibility.Then Obama joined in.
    So the First Birthers were actually ones challenging John McCain's
    birth { place of birth }.
    Putz that in yer pipe and smoke it.
     
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    We're Talking NATURAL-BORN Citizen ... sweetie.
    The required standard for running for the Highest office in the
    land.There are a lot of Pols,Mayors,city council members who
    are U.S. citizens but NOT Natural-born Citizens.
    As I explained why Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger always knew
    no matter how popular of successful a Governor he could Never
    be a U.S. President.
    N'cest pas { rhetorical }
     
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    Yes.. we are talking about NATURAL BORN not naturalized.. What were YOU talking about?
     
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    Any birthers.

    Looks like it, doesn't it? As if Trump got racists out of the closet for a while. But I'm confident they'll eventually be going back in the closet, where they belong.
     
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    Oh, it's racist.

    It was flogged most enthusiastically by folks here who can reliably counted on to defence Trump every time he blows the racist dog whistle.

    Race is a big component in Trump's victory.

    Trump voters voted for the Anti Obama/. Trump reminds them that he is that guy every chance he gets. And he has been playing the race card and pandering to bigots since the day he announced.

    There was nothing legitmate about birtherism. It is the provece of race baiting politicians and people who think there is glory in the bottom of the barrell.
     
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    What does it matter who started it? The issue is that there are people who are STILL birthers even after it's been proven that he was born in the US. That's a bad look.
     
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    After the Holy Bible, Vattel's was the most read book by our founding fathers.

    John Jay, America's first Supreme Court Chief Justice of the SCOTUS was always quoting Vattel's.

    Any time our founding fathers mentioned "Law of Nature" or "Natural Law" they were referring to Vattel's.

    When Great Britain, France and other European nations challenged Lincoln's naval blockade of the South during the American Civil War, Lincoln and the SCOTUS turned to Vattel's. -> https://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/v...ir=1&article=1252&context=faculty_scholarship
     
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    I am no expert
    But imo eligibility is determinef BRFORE the election

    AFTER the election, whovever is seorn in IS PRESINENT

    No matted what trump and or the russians did, he is the president unless and until ge is impeached
     
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    If one follows even the stricter interpretation of Vattell, a child born of a citizen mother would qualify. Because his argument re the citizen father seems to revolve around the idea of the parent having certain rights as a citizen…and of course in modern America the rights of the mother as a citizen are equal to those of the father.
     
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    Obama supporters only responded to this racist meme.

    No one "created" anything other than the crackpots who dreamed up birtherism.

    The rest of your response is patent nonsense. No one has changed, or tried to change the meaning of natural born at all. You made it up.
     
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    Indeed. The massive collective brain fart from the right when we elected a black man as potus was congenital.
    The racists couldn't deal with the fact that their CIC was now a negro.
    Their reaction was similar to homophobes who can't deal with their sexual insecurities and lash out irrationally to avoid facing it.
    I remember one talk show incident where two men were guests and one of them revealed on the air that he had sexual feelings for his friend. The man couldn't deal with the new revelation by his friend and he murdered him after the show.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Scott_Amedure
     
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    There’s nothing in the law that provides a process for retroactively undoing everything a president has done based on him having been found ineligible to be president after his terms has already ended.
     

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