Should we support P. M. Benjamin Netanyahu?

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Should we support whoever Israel elects as their leader?

  1. Yes....

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  2. No...

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    33.3%
  3. At least partly..... at least to a certain extent!

    4 vote(s)
    26.7%
  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am listening to a fascinating video right now......



    Whoever this is..... he is certainly a very logical thinker and speaker.

    I think I have heard him speak before... .but I can't remember his name.

    Aha yes... Dennis Prager!

    Why are so many Jews...... trying to hurt Israel.... and even destroy Israel?

    Why do so many Jews hate.... being Jewish?
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am going to do something strange..... although I voted Yes... in the poll...... I will now
    debate Mr. Dennis Prager and assert that.......
    in a sense.... Israel rather than Hamas is in fact.... the greater obstacle to peace in the Middle East.......
    but my reasoning is kind of unusual.......



    P. M. Netanyahu, President Trump has a 4.3 trillion dollar problem....

    If.......
    Israeli Jews.... would admit to the reality of their situation......
    peace could come to the Middle East rapidly......
    but Hamas is in no position to do this..... because Hamas.....
    and the culture in which the members of Hamas live........
    make information and knowledge and truth so difficult to attain.......
    that Israel has the power to bring peace to the Middle East......
    but Hamas...... has no knowledge.....
    and therefore no POWER to do much of anything.....
    because the saying is true... .that knowledge.... IS POWER!
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ISRAELIS..... have the intellectual freedom to admit to the truth of the
    Helen Wambach Ph. D. research......
    but the members of Hamas.... .cannot do this.....
    because if they did..... their families or friends or neighbours would kill them........

    but Israelis..... can admit to the astonishing Philosophical truth that Dr. Wambach dug up for us......
    and therefore.... Israelis do have the power to bring peace to the Middle East......

    but the members of HAMAS DO NOT..... so therefore.... in a sense... Dr. Dennis Prager is not entirely correct in his argumentation or reasoning!

    Here is a simplification of the truth discovered by Helen Wambach Ph. D. that
    Dr. Dennis Prager cannot admit to.....
    and most Israelis cannot admit to..... but this truth could
    bring peace to the Middle East......

    http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/
     
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    ArmySoldier Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Without PM Netanyahu, Israel would be overrun by terrorists.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I totally agree.......
    He is in an incredibly difficult and complex situation.......
    Although like President Trump he is flawed and human and makes errors.......
    still he is exceptionally wise for a mere human.... .and I believe that within a century he will
    be regarded as a truly heroic figure by most Jews.... and by then...... hopefully even by most Gentiles!
     
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    Because not all Jews are Israeli's.

    Most Israelis are Jewish. But most Jews are not Israeli.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Most Jews... just like myself back in 1992... find the evidence for reincarnation at least somewhat offensive.

    This truth though truly has the power to get us to begin to think in a way that can begin a transformation of the worlds political, economic, spiritual and educational sytems.

    I am greatly encouraged by the results of this poll so far:

    Could you have been of another race in a past life?

    Could you have been of another race in a past life?

    1. No.... the Bible says it is appointed unto men to die once!
      1 vote(s)
      4.3%
    2. *
      Yes.... Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus said that John the Baptist was Elijah.
      2 vote(s)
      8.7%

    3. Yes....
      8 vote(s)
      34.8%

    4. No......
      7 vote(s)
      30.4%

    5. Not sure.. .but I will research this intriguing possibility.
      5 vote(s)
      21.7%
    Change Your Vote
     
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    Maybe another species.
    I am having an awesome life, so whatever I did last time round it gave me massive karma.

    Truth is subjective.
    I'm not a revolutionary myself. Not looking to change the world.
    I settle for my little patch. Improve it a bit. Leave a bit more behind me for the next generation than was left for me.
    That sort of thing.

    Educational systems, I am teacher. I transform it every time I go to work. But I went from radical teacher to traditionalist. That was my journey.
    I'm not looking to re-invent all those wheels. Only use them to get me to where I want to go.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I read two of Helen Wambach Ph. D's books back during the 1990's.....
    but her research did not go into whether or not we can come back as another species.......

    I am a Christian.... and I plead guilty to the accusation from Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus himself that we his followers would tend to be terribly ignorant.........

    Luke 16:8

    "And the lord commended the unjust steward, because he had done wisely: for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light."

    I wasn't intentionally exaggerating with this title but after more than twenty years of researching this topic... I feel that the potential here is massive!

    The following five paragraphs were Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus teaching his disciples hidden information to his disciples as shown to a near death experiencer:

    Five paragraphs that have the potential to save this world!

    If.... it is true that Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus truly said such things to his disciples then....... his ideas were a lot like those of Rabbi Nachman of Breslov and his famous grandfather.

    Did Rabbi Jesus/Yehoshua teach the same things as Rabbi Nachman of Breslov?
     
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    For me it's a question of pragmatism.
    I'm not a fan of Israel and recognise no alliance with those people.
    Quite the opposite.

    On the other hand I have many Jewish friends who find sympathy for Israel and I know a great many Israeli's through teaching their schools.
    I have no sympathy of Israel. Those people are the root of that nations problems.
    European invaders. And they just keep inviting more.

    I have more natural sympathy for their neighbours and victims.

    But this is not a perfect world. There must be an underdog and an overdog.
    Israel is the overdog and every prison needs a top dog.
    Israel it is.

    I don't really support them. But I don't actively support their rivals either. I accept the status quo.
    Which I shouldn't. I should arm their rivals in war just as they did ours. Return blood for blood.
    Allow that country to find peace in parity of arms.
    But I will not.

    Because just leaving Israel to it, is the easy way out.
    So if supporting Netanyahu or whoever gets me off the hook, good. That will do.
    Carry on Israel. You deserve far worse than you get.
     
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    Thank you for this interesting answer Baff.......
    did you know that there are some courageous Muslims who support the general idea that the Jewish people have a duty and responsibility to the G-d of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Ishmael.... .... to rebuild their Jerusalem Temple.... and fulfill the prophecies in Ezekiel chapters 40 - 48?

    Is Malik Obama one of the worlds' most courageous Muslims?


    Obama’s Brother in Support of Third Temple Built in Jerusalem
     
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    Good old Ezekial.
    All that fire and brimstone.

    Everyone is fighting over Jerusalem. What's new?
    Someone will win. Someone will lose.
    All those fighting will feel morally justified to do so.

    I will not be one of them.
     
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    This may sound strange but I am of the opinion that the rebuilding of the Jerusalem Third Temple will eventually turn out to be win - win - win - win - win for Israelis.... for all her neighbouring nations.... and actually for all of humanity especially everybody living in an area vulnerable to rising ocean levels..........

    The return of rain in due season to Israel and neighbouring nations that decide to become peaceful toward Jews will actually have a stabilizing effect even on ocean levels....... I think?!


    Rebuilding of Jerusalem Third Temple may be least expensive way to stabilize climate?

    Jews have rituals related to restoring rain in due season... but need their Jerusalem Third Temple to do those rituals in:


    Mr. Fishman is Director of People For a Bill To Build The Bet HaMikdash.
     
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    I'm a little bit less spiritual than you.

    I believe in man's ability through faith to produce miracles.
    But I'm not big on supernatural powers.

    So I can't draw the connection between people being friendly to Israel and getting rained on in reward for example.

    I can get the climate change part, I can get the Israel and it's neighbours finding peace part. But that one is too supernatural for me.
    I can't ground it in my own human experiences.
     
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    No more than we should trust those who committed treason at his request. He paid Tom Cotton $1MILLION to start that mess and though it didn't work as they wanted, the gop has now given Iran any nuke they want. Just as Netanyahu instructed them.
     
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    I had to hedge my bet and vote "at least partly". Israel is a very weird, strange place. The people are strangely divided, often against their own best interests.

    They have had leaders that have tried to be very accommodating and peaceful toward the Muslim world, and, by contrast, they've had leaders who have made veiled threats to wage no-holds-barred nuclear war on it. There's not a great deal of predictability there. So, we can't just say that we must support whoever Israel elects as a leader. It could be a disastrous mistake.
     
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    Wouldn't trust him any further than I could throw Dirty Donald and his butt buddy Vlad the Bad tightly bound together.
     
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    P.M. Netanyahu got some interesting messages over the years.....
    from a gifted Christian from Africa...... explained after forty minutes here....
     
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    Highly unlikely scenario. Israel has existed in a fiercely antagonistic environment since 1948, and in much more threatening times as well, but under some remarkable leaders. Israel has many competent potential leaders who would be more inclined toward making a permanent peace with their Palestinian neighbors. Netanyahu is an impediment to peace. Israel would be better off without him.
     
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    I do agree with you that Israel has many potentially competent Prime Ministers.......
    but I do think that P. M. Benjamin Netanyahu is perfect for the set of circumstances confronting
    America and the world at this time.


    P. M. Netanyahu, President Trump has a 4.3 trillion dollar problem....


     
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    So true....... Israeli Jews are, like me, concerned about a possible future Exodus of American Jews to Israel.......
    but...... American and Canadian Jews tend to be extremely hesitant to discuss such a possibility.
     

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