End GMOs in exchange for Regenerative Agriculture

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  1. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    well technically it's not Round Up in the DNA it's resistance to Roundup in the DNA Roundup is an herbicide not an organism so it doesn't have DNA.

    Do you say this can't happen naturally prove it. Prove man manipulating the genome is not natural.

    What difference does it make if it's natural or not lots of things that are unnatural are fantastic like air conditioning marine traffic and Telecommunications.


    When you get down to it they're not making these things part some other thing they're just taking a sequence of amino acids and splicing it in something the plant already has. It isn't a spider gene or a bacterial Gene that's not how it works it is a molecule that happens to exist naturally and a spider or a bacteria.

    Taking it out and splicing it into something else eliminates having to selectively breed into a crop what you wanted to have it saves time and money. It is technology technology improves life.
     
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    I have read up into regenerative agriculture and this is one thing that has been agreed on in almost all the literature. Disturb the ground as little as possible. Nature never tills.
     
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    what do you call a giant herd of buffalo stampeding across the prairie?
     
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    Well, the Norwegian study I linked to says the difference is the potential effect on human health. That's one. Modern crops are less nutritious so we eat more yet we are less healthy.
    That is something that should be addressed.

    Also, the fact is that we can produce better food without GMO or the increasing amounts of pesticides.

    Agroecology, regenerative agriculture, pasture cropping, holistic management. These ag practices are as profitable as conventional industrialized practices, without the harm to the environment and reduced nutrition.
     
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    we are less healthy because we eat more junk food and more processed food and loads and loads of sugar.

    well you are kind of all over the place on this and I think you would just listen to some people that are giving you some bad advice. You deleted that part of the post which I find dishonest. You talked about Roundup being in DNA and Roundup has no DNA it is an herbicide not an organism. Now you're talkin about pesticides.

    Do you even know what you're arguing against? This isn't about pesticides this is about not needing them anymore if you can breed a crop that is not appetizing to the pest. We're through selective breeding this would take Lord knows how long understanding how genetics work we can make it happen in a moment.

    I think your fears and worries are unmerited.

    if this were the case then it would be all that was practiced.
     
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    camp_steveo Well-Known Member

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    It will be eventually.
    17 organizations feeding the world through regenerative agriculture
    https://www.greenbiz.com/article/17-organizations-feeding-world-through-regenerative-agriculture

    http://rodaleinstitute.org/assets/FSTbookletFINAL.pdf

    Glyphosate is an antimicrobial: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glyphosate#Antimicrobial_activity

    New research suggests common herbicides are linked to antibiotic resistance
    http://theconversation.com/new-rese...des-are-linked-to-antibiotic-resistance-87678

    Do you see the link? roundup is harmless? Google antibiotic resistance.

    I am not all over the place. There are many issues to discuss around GMO, antibiotic use, and pesticides in ag.

     
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    more:
    This is an industry site: https://www.beefproducer.com/management/regenerative-agriculture-real-and-it-available
     
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    I am not promoting panic. I am promoting change. Necessary change that will benefit humans, the environment, and the climate.
     
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    What's this got to do with gmos?
     
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    I would call a herd of buffalo stampeding a stampede. But seriously...mob grazing is very good for soil health. I do the same thing...as close as possible....with my goats.
     
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    Well, agriculture can actually mitigate or even reverse climate change.
     
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    With enough land devoted to it yes. But agriculture can also be of higher quality. Like soil that captures and holds more water and ground that is covered to reduce temperature exstreams and evaporation.
     
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    I don't necessarily Buy the whole climate change religion.
     
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    I actually think you and I are on the same page with this. Although, I am of the opinion that all industrialized agricultural practices should be abandoned and regenerative ag practices put in place.
     
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    Whether you do or do not is irrelevant when it comes to my argument. When ag practices are put in place that result in net carbon sequestration, then it becomes a moot point.
     
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    That sounds rather abstract and academic to me. Got any real-world examples of what you mean?

    If we would quit shipping food all over the world for the sake of market share, that would be carbon sequestration even without changing growing practices.

    And then there's food waste, which takes a tremendous environmental toll. All that wasted food takes as much fertilizer and water as food that gets consimed. Not to mention the land that is cleared for food never eaten.

    By one government tally, about 60 million tons of produce worth about $160 billion is wasted by retailers and consumers every year---one third of all foodstuffs.

    But that is just a “downstream” measure. In more than two dozen interviews, farmers, packers, wholesalers, truckers, food academics and campaigners described the waste that occurs “upstream”: scarred vegetables regularly abandoned in the field to save the expense and labour involved in harvest. Or left to rot in a warehouse because of minor blemishes that do not necessarily affect freshness or quality.

    When added to the retail waste, it takes the amount of food lost close to half of all produce grown, experts say.

    ... Food experts say there is growing awareness that governments cannot effectively fight hunger, or climate change, without reducing food waste. Food waste accounts for about 8 percent of global climate pollution, more than India or Russia.
     
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    your argument that we shouldn't use the laboratory to make crops more efficient? I'm unclear as to what your argument is you've kind of bounced around.

    This threads about GMOs.
     
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    Great points.

    Here are some examples of carbon farming, or ag practices that result in carbon sequestration.
    https://www.marincarbonproject.org/science/papers
     
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    Actually, It's
    "End GMOs in exchange for Regenerative Agriculture"

    Do you not see that it's only peripherally about GMOs and mainly about different agricultural methods?
     
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    I'm sorry. It all ties together though. Eventually, these practices will take over.
     
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    You can do regenerative agriculture with GMOs.
     
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    Any farmer wants to improve soil and regenerate his land. But things come into play. Like proven practices that brings crops in and feels like a safe play....in other words...fear of change.
     
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    No it doesn't.

    Genetically modifying an organism through either selective breeding or modification of its genes through laboratory work has nothing to do with any of this regenerative agricultural business. If anything it makes it easier.
     
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    Maybe you should read through the thread again.
     

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