CNN’s Philip Mudd Blows Up Tells Trump supporter: We're done. Get out!

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  1. MrTLegal

    MrTLegal Well-Known Member

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    I don't give two shits if you think this qualifies as Brennan - or anyone else - alleging that the revocation of security clearance is an assault on an individual's right to free speech. You are wrong. Objectively.

    That said, this is an effort by Trump to silence and punish criticism. It did not work with Brennan or the others who have stepped forward in his defense, but it will almost certainly have a chilling effect in the future. @RP12 noted that individuals with security clearance should not allege treason, but that is a right of free speech to issue that opinion. If someone else wants to make that allegation, but does not do so now because Trump has made it explicitly clear that such could force a revocation of security clearance (and in the case of one current official, a loss of his job), then you do have an attempt to punish the first amendment rights of others.
     
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    You only care when it happens to a left wing Black, then you'd be yelling racist.
     
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    I did. If you have a problem understanding my statement and why it does not amount to an "admission," then it is your problem. Not mine.
     
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    Sounds like you are on the same page, yes?
     
  5. Tim15856

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    Truth hurt, that's all.
     
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    Correct... it's the first step... By removing people's security clearance without cause, the plan is to have those people considered no longer trustworthy, which could impact their ability to gain the platforms from which to speak, which in practical effect is trying to control speech....

    It's all been done before...
     
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    only in Progressiveville would handing out security clearances like candy -- then allowing fired and retired former government weenies to retain them so they may self-servingly parlay their special access into lucrative private sector careers -- 'enhance' national security.



    and when did GlobalistMarxistHumanistProgressiveSJWs start giving a crap about national security? about national anything?
     
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    And I believe this unhinged hate is what it dividing the country, not anything Trump says.
     
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    First, nothing coming out of Mudd or Brennan's mouth is "free speech" ... and that's the grievance. $$$. Mudd and Brennan are paid a premium because they're perceived as being "in the know" by virtue of their access to intel. Residual clearance needs to be revoked en masse. Waivers can be issued on a as needed basis. I'm sorry if heightened security will hurt their economic prospects, but freedom ain't free and formerly dedicated public servants shouldn't cry about the small sacrifice. They do have enviable pensions and health benefits for a reason ... sacrifice.
     
  10. MrTLegal

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    Always.
     
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    Playing word games because he said stifled and not damaged?
     
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    Revocation upon separation should be automatic. The potential danger of residual clearance is real, and the gaping loophole needs closed.
     
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    LOL No I am not because any claim speech in any way is curtailed is an attack on free speech. You simply lack the courage to admit it.

    Jesus Christ which face are we talking to here? That would be attacking free speech!

    I'll say it again since you have trouble keeping up. If you are claiming Trump is silencing or punishing vocal criticism in others that is attacking free speech.

    Its truly amazing watching you say two different points and not understanding it.
     
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    lol Not in the slightest because I don't believe he is impacting free speech. The direct opposite is true actually. But that's the argument legal is defending that Brennnan and his buddies are making.
     
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    Read what you wrote for the first time.

    Brennan did not claim that revoking his security clearance damaged his free speech right. He says that it is part of a broader effort by Trump to suppress the freedom of speech and punish critics.

    If its a broader effort its still part of the effort Legal. I thought you were supposed to be a lawyer. Do you not understand what brader effort means?
     
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    uh huh. is that why leftists establish sanctuary cities, and demand open borders and amnesty, and extend constitutional protections to foreigners on foreign soil if they call themselves "refugees" or "asylum seekers"?....

    to make the nation more 'secure'?

    I call bullshit.
     
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    LOL see Legal? Even your allies call it controlling speech.
     
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    No
     
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    Well then, once that is a law or established rule and applied universally, we could be in agreement.....
     
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    Its his direct words.. Of course you cant acknowledge what he said so you play stupid lawyer games making someone else the offender.

    Brennan still has his free speech.
     
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    I have to imagine that this is a belief system you only very recently, i.e. the last week or so, endorsed. And I can only imagine that the reason is because you have an undeniable need to justify any Trump decision as valid.
     
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    No, what is a brader effort?
     
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    So you cant name these "They's" fun but just in case in a fantasy world someone in the Admin might value his err view points he should keep his clearance.. in that case why would anyone lose their clearances?
     
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    When does criticizing a president become by itself some misuse of intelligence?
     
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    Broader effort legal. Going to hide behind spelling errors or will you pull some courage together and answer the question?

    When you start hiding behind spelling errors its pretty clear you cannot stomach the argument.
     
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