Fad Or The Future? Robot-Made Burgers Wow The Crowds In San Francisco

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  1. Mac-7

    Mac-7 Banned

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    My guess is selishness

    Socialism can benefit one generation, maybe two

    After that its a loser

    But by then the first socials are dead or dying

    So they got theirs and screw the next generation
     
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    Planning on dying within the next 10 years?
     
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    I think we should avoid that. If the government keeps refusing to do anything,
    especially as things start to get worse, we should replace them without delay.

    -Meta
     
  4. Professor Peabody

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    Like in Europe?
     
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    I wouldn't say 'planning', but I know my family statistics.

    But I don't think we will be reaching that situation in 10 years. You'll need to deplete the last of the Baby Boomers and Generation X'ers before you will see a vaguely compliant populace.
     
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    I didn't say I thought it was neat, I said it sounds neat.

    So you are unwilling to accept this hypothetical in order to debate the further reaching implications of the human condition which this would allow. Just say that next time rather than waste my time asking rhetorical questions irrelevant to the much more interesting point.
     
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    It isn't a plan. It is a philosophical debate with this prerequisite circumstance to unclutter the current societal shackles, but you for whatever reason feel the need to control the conditions.
     
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    And the US and Eastern Asia. The entire developed world is socialist to some degree.
     
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    The US and Europe became socialist around the 30s and have grown quite a bit since then. Socialism doesn't create economic growth, it just fixes some of the problems with the free market. The basic tenant of socialism is that the point of the economy is to maximize standards of living for the middle class and anything the free market does to hurt ordinary working people should be fixed in some way if possible.
     
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    Ah, thanks for the clarification. But I would not say that the ideas suggested are designed as you said to increase dependency.
    That isn't their goal at all. Improving availability of education and training is designed to make sure folks are prepared when their old jobs become automated and they need to be sure that they have the skills and knowledge which'll be required for any new ones that might pop up.

    Hiring folks to build and or repair infrastructure isn't designed to increase dependence on government, its designed to ensure that a) our infrastructure is made both up-to-date, safe, and effective and b) that folks who lose jobs due to automation have opportunities for supporting themselves through work where no other might exist. You might say such a thing has the effect of allowing more folks to rely on government for employment... but again, that isn't the purpose and no one's going to be forced to take a government job by mandate if they don't want to. People would still of course be free should they choose to strike it out in the public sector instead and find some non-governmental entity to rely on. Or they could attempt, as they can now, to be truly fully self-sufficient and relying on no one, though of course this would require they had access to their own private means of production which not everyone can muster.

    Worker owned corporations and employees owning company stock aren't designed to increase dependency on government either. They are designed to give workers more direct control over their own fates. Its actually the exact inverse of increasing dependence on government, so calling these two increased dependence on government makes the least sense, which is why I assume these two weren't among the ones you were referring to before?...

    Also, please consider what the alternative to ideas like these are...
    If significant numbers of jobs get automated, what else are we going to do here...
    just stand idly by while the vast majority of the country becomes unemployed?

    Sure, but I don't believe anyone was suggesting a mandate for that.
    Personally, I think incentives and support would make more sense. And I agree that traditionally run companies should be allowed to exist along side the more worker-centric ones.

    -Meta
     
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    Compliant populace?...
    Actually what I was referring to there was the study suggesting that half of today's jobs would be fully automated within 10-20 years. Though of course that study was from like 5 years ago in 2013 or something so that half point will probably be somewhere within the next 5-15 years. And yet... here we as a country still sit... doing nothing even as we start to see the signs that its already beginning to happen...

    -Meta
     
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    Ok then... :/

    How we get to what you're suggesting is a perfectly fair question.

    -Meta
     
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    I do not know what you're talking about here, but I do know that if there is no plan for arriving at what you suggested earlier,
    then there isn't much point in discussing what happens afterwards...

    -Meta
     
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    How to get Mexican labor without the Mexicans
     
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    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Right. So you have never read a book or watched a movie that explores how people work that took place in a different circumstance without explaining how it got there because, what's the point? Brilliant summation. I could explain it. I could write volumes for you to endlessly explore problems with but I am not fond of time sucks. If you concede it is possible then it doesn't ****ing matter, because HOW society got there doesn't matter in A Clockwork Orange. You simply accept the circumstance to explore the ****ing human condition as a growth experience.

    You won't, because you can't set the rules. Got it.
     
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    Take a chill-pill man,

    Books, movies, etc. that explore some fantastic scientific eventuality are commonly referred to as science-fiction (a type of fiction), and the ones that do so without being rooted in current technologies and or explaining how the more advanced scientific elements of the story were arrived at are more specifically referred to as science-fantasy (basically a science-fiction where the known laws of science, physics etc. need not apply). And I'm all for discussing such things for fun etc. but in this thread we are discussing some serious stuff, things which could have a very real impact on our lives in the very near future (5-15 years), things that are starting to happen right now per the OP.

    So what you're doing here, is basically coming into a serious discussion about how to react to contemporary and emerging technologies and saying, hey guys, let's discuss the implications of 62-mile-high outdoor rail-less moving walkways in space like from the Jetsons, and while we're at it, let's also put together a Game Theory like explanation of what would happen if space-aliens attacked those walkways with flying saucers. Have you ever watched Game Theory? Lol... talk about time sinks.

    -Meta
     
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    You have no idea what I'm trying to discuss, which is absolutely on topic, because I will not allow you to control the environment. The question is not can I provide a path to the prerequisite condition, but whether or not you accept that it is feasible. I am not asking for you to suspend disbelief, I am saying in such an environment, there are serious questions you have not yet explored, and I want to. The answers to these questions, and answers, are important. If you want to mentally masturbate over the "how", feel free to do so on your own, which is the point of asking if you concede it is possible.

    This, is not fun. If you want to have fun, answer in the affirmative it is possible and we can continue, otherwise dont bother replying.
     
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    I'm not saying that what you're talking about isn't related to the thread topic, just that there's no point in talking about it in my opinion.
    If you want to try and discuss it with someone else, then feel free to have at it.

    -Meta
     
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    Oh yeah...first the burgers...then the milk shakes...and NEXT THING WE KNOW>>>>>>>


    terminator machines.jpg
     
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    And yet you reply anyway. We should switch monikers. BTW, isn't it considered unseemly to truncate posts in such a way as to misrepresent the point? Asking for a friend.
     
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    I'm not trying to control you, and I don't know why you think that :/.
    If you want to discuss your idea with someone else, again, have at it. If you don't, then don't.

    -Meta
     
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    You are attempting to control by obfuscation the condition of an as yet unposed question. I have explained this ad nauseam, and yet you continue to engage in such a way as to prolong the asking. You are, again, wasting my time for sake. I'm sorry you are afraid to explore that which you cannot control. Were done.
     
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    What?? What you're saying doesn't make any sense...

    I think we are in agreement that this discussion between us isn't working out.
    Again, if you want to try and discuss it with someone else, feel free. Or if not, then that's fine with me too.

    -Meta
     
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    It makes sense, whether or not you understand it.
     
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    If you say so... :/

    -Meta
     

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