Study: More Than Half of Trans Male Teens Attempt Suicide

No, I wanted proof of your claim that it has NEVER been more accepted than it is now.

 

No, they're suicidal because they have a mental illness.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5178031/

The suicide rate for transgenders is lower in India than it is the US by a significant factor (10%). The suicide rate for transgender people in SAN FRANCISCO is 32%. Are you telling me that in flaming SF they're ostracized?

If "discrimination" was the cause for suicide, why do black people have the lowest incidence of suicide in the US? Either they're not being discriminated against, or discrimination doesn't lead to suicide. Take your pick.

In addition to the transgender issues, people who are transgender are orders of magnitude more likely to have OTHER mental health illnesses.

https://psychcentral.com/news/2018/...-diagnosed-with-mental-conditions/134693.html

You know what, I would leave them alone except for one thing.

People are trying to pass laws, or have passed laws, or get sued for not going along with the charade.

As I've said several times, if someone wants to glue on a dorsal fin and call themselves "Flipper", I could give two ****s less about it.

When they start demanding that I offer sardines and refer to a human being as a dolphin that's not going to happen.

They have the right to do whatever they want.

They don't have the right to demand I participate under threat of punishment.

 

What do you think celebrating or advancing it as a cause is?

 

If it was simply because of the Transgenderism, wouldn't the rate be the same everywhere? The fact that there is a 10% difference shows that there are factors beyond the individuals mindset that propel this suicide rate.

 

What do you think never is?

 

Wouldn't it be higher in places more discriminating?

 

Ok I'll play.

I can tell you don't really want to know because you just dismissed the question I answered in detail, and focused in on the one I didn't elaborate on.

https://www.hrc.org/blog/survey-shows-striking-increase-in-americans-who-know-and-support-transgende

 

This is literally one of the saddest posts I have seen on PF.

You chop shopped several different people's message in order to answer whatever sentence you want. I would continue the discussion, but what you did is equivalent to PF Cliff notes where you decided what was important.

Yes there are right reasons, but do you feel like actually partaking in the conversation and admitting there are ABSOLUTELY some people who are doing it for the wrong reasons?

God I hate when people do what you did

 

Wait, you are saying the theory is debunked because:

"Rats are not humans, our brains don't work the same"

You obviously don't know much about science do you? Sorry, but most of what you wrote is just agreeing with me that gender constructs are a joke. Millions of tests have been performed on animals in a precursor to humans, a huge percent of them being the perfect place to start. To try to dismiss the science is ridiculous as you did.

If you really have "debunked" it as you claim, post the information. I have seen nothing that says it is "debunked", in fact, the most recent article about it is from March 2018. It simply appears your hatred is blinding you from discussing the topic with rational thought.

Honest question.

Do trans people disgust you? It really does seem that way in your post and it makes it look like any rational discussion about it is impossible.

I hate the gender construct crap, finding a biological reason for what is happening will destroy that construct. To bat off some incredibly meaningful science on the subject just seems like an incredibly immature response.

 

If your suddenly accepting societal factors, then likely. Though, there are a lot of other things to consider.

America is 48th on the list for suicide rates at 12.6 per 100,000 people

Singapore is 112th with 9.9 per 100,000 people

And honestly, looking into it now, Singapore was probably a bad choice on your part as I guess there is a pretty big community there, and it used to be a major hub for Transgenderism, with sex reassignment surgery clinics being around the 70s when it was legalized. Trans-Marriage was recognized in the mid-60s no less.

So yeah, I think that the culture in Singapore and the Transgender individuals probably have a better time there then they do in the US.

 

I said India, actually.

 

https://www.upi.com/Health_News/201...dal-acts-in-transgender-adults/4561493909781/

Glad to help

 

This is all 100% true.

Just beacuse Vman says this does not mean he is anti transgender and those of you attacking him for it are in the wrong.

These are facts, or at least the facts/polls we have to go on. If you want to call them lies, fine.

But acceptance is going up, and suicides are also going up. There are TONS of sources showing this.

So Vmans question is valid, why are suicide rates going up at the same time acceptance is going up?

Is there an innate problem in transgendered persons brain that causes depression or suicide?

Because with more awareness, we are getting more suicide. That is alllll on the condition then and has little to do with the "acceptance" of the overall community.

 

Oh, my apologies.

They are at 24th with a rate of 16, so they do have a higher suicide rate then the US.

So I wonder what the Trans suicide rate is there compared to the US now. It seems that a lot of Trans suicides aren't reported as such because they are placed in the 'male' suicide category.

They are pretty marginalized there as well, though I think culturally there isn't much expectation of anything better whereas in the US, there is a much different view on how people 'should' be treated (vs how they are), so expectations are higher.

Some more delving for info is necessary I think.

 

31% according to the study I linked.

It's 32% in San Francisco.

 

No i know, i meant what it was in India for comparison, as they don't really have that data.

 

Thirty-one percent.

 

ohhhh I see it now. The link it uses goes to a 404. Thanks. The stuff I was reading was saying that they have a hard time tracking it due to the lack of Police using the official 'third sex' classification for some suicides. Still though, the similarities are intriguing.

 

I didn't actually, i said it has been debunked, then proceeded to another sentence about rats unrelated to the first sentence. As for your source, you can easily look up that research you cited and see people debunking it right now, if you wanted to. Which is the problem, you don't want to. Also you could read the original research paper that has the word "INCONCLUSIVE in several parts of the document.

Don't use summarized research. Oh and the actual paper has been rejected by high-level community organizations because there's not enough clear evidence otherwise this "science" would have already made the rounds. I know how science works, you I'm not sure, I also know what places you need to take your research to and when they are rejected, because I keep track of the community on numerous topics, not just this one, and have for years. they way you're presenting the "evidence" or the way your "source" presents the "evidence" is why we are in the gender construct mess in the first place. Yeah my tone may not be the best but that's because this is the same silly circle for numerous years and I'm a little tired of it.

I'm not dismissing science, the issue is you are reporting either fake science, or a summarized version of a research document missing key parts.This is a common thing that advocates saying Trans is biological do. It's also why the research people believe is almost always contradicted when some guy finds "new evidence" it almost always erases the old one it never builds on top of the last one which is why there's been no real progress.

The reason why it's hard to discuss the issue is because of people like you that are convinced it's biological and never look up alternative views. If you don't look at both sides you can't come to a real conclusion, you will continue to only look for conclusions you WANT to believe and not what's ACTUALLY true. Trans science has never gone forward for years now because of this. There's been way too much advocate funded "research" on gender that all the new findings contradict the old ones so nothing actually stays put. The only reason why the movement is still in mainstream is because people are using more and more emotional arguments now instead of science.

You should go on Bing or whatever and spend sometime actuall looking up the COUNTER research documents by credible researchers who are experts in their fields, who have just as much or more credibility than the people you believe, and look at how thy break down whether one "findings" research may have inaccurate data, draws assumptions, or a host of other problems.

Once you do that, then you'll see how your belief doesn't make any sense. I've been following this for years and years now and I've seen all the usually reactions. "OH he's hateful, oh he's transphobic, oh he dismisses research" same old same old. Don't talk about the science community if you don't actually follow it or are in it. That's the biggest mistake most advocates do, claims there's a consensus, because there is no consensus at all, and you likely get your idea of whats true by the media to be honest but the media doesn't always report accurately and has been caught numerous times selectively publishing "parts" of research documents.

The question I posted to you to answer and you still haven't yet, isn't even my question, it's been a question put in the community since 2009 and not one person has come up with an explanation, because the possible "excuse" that men and the genitals may have a disconnect is actually older than your source, it's been discussed numerous times and no one can answer the question till this day:

I'd advise you to look at research papers and discussions from around 2007-2010 using either Bing or google, both have tools so you can look up only articles from those time frames. because half of the "new" stuff coming out now was discussed 10 or more years ago. This way you'll be less likely to fall for media propaganda. Also try to find science community related debate boards, the official ones, and look around that same time frame for posts and you'll see your same argument discussed several times.

You'll get a whole new perspective really fast.

 

Are you saying Trans had a higher tolerance level in the 50's-80's when states still had "if you kill them who cares" laws?

The rate seems to go up in areas where they are publicized and praised. Trans women of all races got lower suicide rates in Black Communities or communities with high Black populations than cities like San Francisco and that demographic is killing and demeaning them most in the country on average. That's the most telling comparison yet showing it's not "harassment and abuse."

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I'm saying there have been places and times in the past where acceptance was likely higher.

Link?

 

yeah gonna need a source for that. This is the largest survey of Trans folks and suicide and only 5% of the responders were black.

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/AFSP-Williams-Suicide-Report-Final.pdf

 

Interesting. While I support equal rights for gays, those who mutilate their own bodies being suicidal brings up a few other issues. Should we put them on the No Buy list for firearms?

 

I couldn’t find any posts on this thread, either, after a quick skim of anyone making the claim that trans suicide rates have increased as acceptance has increased.

I might have missed them. The thread is 8 pages long at this point. And I’m not going to bother with a closer look because it’s not worth my time, and I’d feel sorry for anyone who did. Besides, I know many times, when a person here makes a claim about what has already been said on a thread with linking to the specific posts, they are often lying about it.

I can’t be sure if that’s the case here; perhaps the person was referring to another thread, or I simply did just overlook it.

 

He's pointing out the different levels of 'acceptance'.