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  1. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    For YOU. For me the article is quite clear as are the contents. Everything in the article points to what one headline says:

    Conflicting accounts of the ongoing investigation

    But that isn't the only source that disputes the official claims as already noted. You bought it easily, good for you, I'm not as easy as you are, especially given the source.
     
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    cjnewson88 Well-Known Member

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    And yet there is nothing conflicting, even the article which you link states that the 'hijackers name missing from flight manifests' is misinformation.
     
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    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    For you. What's missing are the FACTS that support the OCT, many, many of them.

    So please post the link to the genuine manifests that show all 19 alleged culprits if you think it's "misinformation".
     
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    cjnewson88 Well-Known Member

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    Right here in the link you lied and said you'd read.

    http://therightbloggerbastard.blogspot.com/

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    cjnewson88 Well-Known Member

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    Wait, let me guess, they're fake? How convenient.
     
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    yasureoktoo Banned

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    And none of this stuff would have been released at the time, because of the security/secrecy.
    So that gives the troofers a chance to invent their own answer.
     
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    Yeh yeh yeh, its so easy for you guys. took the airlines nearly a year to produce it and we know they are all totally honest and above reproach. Unfortunately I dont believe any documents produced a year after the fact, but tell ya what, if you can produce paid ticket stubs and a credit card trail, something, anything, that is anything at all to substantiate your list I'd like to see it.
     
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    I really doubt they give a rodents rectum, what you or anyone else thinks.
     
  10. Bob0627

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    On what basis are these authentic? How do these alleged "manifests" prove the claimed airliners are indisputably the ones that allegedly crashed on 9/11 at the claimed targets? And as another poster points out, why did it take a year for these alleged "manifests" to be produced when they should have been produced in days? Why do the alleged airport security tapes look like they're fakes? Why do the FDRs/VCRs look fake (no serial numbers)? Why was there no legitimate investigation and why were these resisted by the Bush administration (in fact attempted to be blocked) for more than a year? These are some immediate questions I have (there are thousands more) because I'm not as easy as you. I ask questions of the OCT you don't, you automatically accept these as fact because you ask no relevant questions. All you ever do is try to convince non-believers that it's all true, virtually 100% of the OCT. That makes no sense to me and is not an intelligent position to take.

    I went through your website quite a while ago, so I don't remember all its contents. It doesn't mean I lied (your incessant phony claim). In fact, I noted the video about the NTSB guy at the Pentagon site claiming they will use a recovered part to identify the aircraft BECAUSE of your website. I never saw it previously. And while your website is quite comprehensive it's still a fraud. Why is it a fraud? Because its sole purpose is to defend the OCT and question none of it. So it's clearly heavily biased and contains zero contradictory evidence/claims. If anything is a lie your website is a lie by omission. It either hasn't been properly researched or if it was you selected what you wanted to put on your website that you believe defends the OCT and rejected everything that might have contradicted it. That would be dishonest. Either way it's fraudulent.

    They may not be fake but I'm not in the least convinced, especially given the source, the long history of lies, the coverups, the improbability/impossibility of many of these official accounts, the improbability/impossibility of the numerous convenient coincidences that are mathematically and logically off the charts and much more.
     
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    Yes Bob, everything is fake, except your "experts".

    We know who you are, and what you want.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    That is the only conclusion I can reach based upon the many posts of many posters who believe and defend the crazy idea that Hani flew AA77 into the pentagon.

    As a pilot who has never flown a Boeing, I am greatly influenced by the line pilots who fly the 757 for a living who have said the maneuver supposedly flown by Hani would be impossible for them to fly.

    Armchair pilots on the internet assign awesome abilities to Hani, who his flight instructors have said is just one dot shy of being a competent pilot.
     
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    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    You hit the nail on the head.

    All evidence provided by "OCT apologists" is fake or cannot be trusted, but all truther evidence is 100% verifiable and truth.
     
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    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    Oh really? Impossible for the 757 pilots to fly? The folks at Pilots for 9/11 Truth don't think it's impossible for pilots to have performed.
    http://pilotsfor911truth.org/pentagon.html

     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    PFT site has been effectively down for a number of months. Balsamo and I are friends. 6 or 7 years ago several 757 line pilots went on record regarding the so-called Hani Maneuver.

    What you armchair pilots don't understand is the vertical required for that maneuver to be successful. Somewhere between 3000 feet per minute to as high as 4500 FPM, depending upon which numbers you use.

    Compare that to the approximate 600 FPM descent in a normal approach for that airplane, and you see that Hero Hani was in way over his head, an impossible situation.

    Fighter type aircraft could perform the maneuver, but not a transport airliner.
     
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    Questions.

    1. Do you believe ALL the significant evidence provided by the 9/11 Commission and NIST is reliable and trustworthy?
    2. Do you believe the 9/11 Commission and NIST addressed ALL of the significant evidence and omitted none?
     
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    No you said that 757 were on record as saying "the maneuver supposedly flown by Hani would be impossible for them to fly". Pilots for 9/11 is quoted as saying "No problem for guys like you and me, but for Hani?".

    Please address this. How can Rob and his cronies do these maneuvers "no problem", yet you claim expert 757 pilots said it would be impossible for them to fly?
     
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    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    But not for Rob and his cronies right Eleuthera? From the Pilots for 9/11 truth site:
    http://pilotsfor911truth.org/pentagon.html

    ...and...

     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Firstly Gam, just because you claim that PFT says thus or so does not mean that PFT says thus or so. I don't go there much anymore, but I used to be quite active, and I can remember the several 757 types making the statement. I read your posts, but I don't trust a word you say for a number of reasons, and this is one of them. You are an untrustworthy poster, and 17 years later, somehow deeply in denial.
     
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    What rubbish. Every commercial aircraft descends on a standard 3 or 4 degree profile, meaning at the speed a 757 flies at you're looking at 1500 to 2000fpm. The only time a commercial airliner would descend as shallow as 600fpm would be to maintain an ILS glide slope at slow speeds on the final part of an approach.

    Hani's manouver was losing 6,000ft in 3 minutes. Easy. I've descended commercial aircraft with 50+ passengers on it at 4000fpm and it makes no difference to the controllability at all.

    Balsamo is a fraud. We had it out a couple of times over on Metabunk where I showed him how his garbage VG diagram did not make sense and was deliberately misleading. He kept going regardless. He fools the simple minded into thinking airspace is two dimensional and shows grossly oversized radar targets "merging". He lies about the simplest of aviation facts because he's hoping to recruit those who know so little about flying that they won't know they're being lied to. His P4T nonsense is a massive facepalm to any pilot with a brain who has the misfortune of seeing it, and I know many.
     
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    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    What a bunch of garbage! I gave you the link to their site that had the quotes. Are you too lazy (or afraid) to look at them?
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    1500 FPM when below 2000 AGL?

    Balsamo is like CK. That means he is willing to sacrifice personal gain so that the truth might be told, however unpopular it may be. That seems to exclude you.

    Facepalm Newson, is that it?
     
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    Here's a screenshot of one of the quotes directly from their site located here:
    http://pilotsfor911truth.org/pentagon.html

    The quote is in the first sentence at the top.
    PFT.PNG
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    You don't understand English, Gam. I was spending time at PFT when you were still wearing diapers. I know what was said, and I know AA77 did not strike the pentagon. You are fully entitled to whatever fantasy you wish to hold.
     
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