How To Finally Resolve the Abortion Debate

This is already defined in law, that YOU want it expanded is another issue and irrelevant to the discussion beyond yourself. Get over yourself and read the laws.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Explain my EXAMPLES ? """ Doesn't matter if there's another body, a bag of gold coins, a liver, a heart, a cancerous tumor.....they are all HERS.""

My point was anything inside her is hers....

So what if I "likened" a fetus to a bag of coins or her liver, they are still HERS.

That's a silly conclusion since in your example obviously neither the child nor the bag of coins are inside the woman......see being I N S I D E a woman is d i f f e r e n t that being O U T S I D E a woman....

"inside " and "outside" are two different words with different meaings..in fact they have opposite meanings.


I'll try to explain...when you are in your house you are "inside"...when you leave your house and go out into your yard you are "outside"...get it?







Oh, and your god "nature" that you think rules what women do ? …. ….doesn't.

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ty-of-abortion.538174/page-98#post-1069621206

 

There is nothing remotely relevant to this discussion in your link.

 

Ultimately, it does come down to a very human issue. As adamant about protecting the lives of the unborn as I am, I believe the Right-To-Life cause has overlooked the other person in the equation: The mother. I was active in the early 90s starting with the Spring of Life in 1992 here in my hometown. But the Lord used a very wise man, my pastor at that time, to show me that although protests, etc. might appeal to the emotional side of this, and it does in spades, the real issue goes even deeper. The hearts, and souls of the people involved. Which is why I believe that in order to facilitate positive change, people in the pro-life community have to address both the mother and child. One way that has been effective are Crisis Pregnancy Centers. Properly run, they provide sound alternatives to the abortion mills, help both the mother and child when it comes to pre-natal, maternal, and pediatric care, housing support, vocational support, and so forth.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/05/...rs-gain-influence-in-anti-abortion-fight.html

FYI

 

It is evident from this thread that there needs to be consensus in the basic parameters of the debate.

If everyone gets their crazy opinion...all we get is a bunch of crazy ideas and chaos.

 

So long as they are up front with their mission for the very beginning and don't pretend to be an abortion provider and scam the women into believing so, only to change the focus to pressure the woman to not to abort half way through the process.

Tell the truth from the get go.

 

Obviously this threads title should have ended with a question mark.

 

They don't. They pressure and shame the woman into giving birth whether it's in the best interest of either her or the child....

 

The issue has BEEN resolved....with women having a right to their own bodies just like everyone else and with RvW.

 

Using the term "abortion mills" obviously means the place ( and comment) is biased.....

BTW, do they give each woman they coerce or shame into giving birth $250,000 to raise that child ???
That's what it costs...


Do they pay her wages for the next 18 years so she can care for the child?

Do they pay her for the permanent damage her body experienced from gestating and giving birth?

Pay all her and the child's medical bills?

Pay for burial if she dies in child birth?

Do they pay day care while she either works or goes to school?

 

Yes, and it really comes down to one basic fact : Women have as much right to their own body as everyone else......and banning abortion destroys that right.

 

If Abortion were returned to the states to decide, that would be the worst action for the GOP. Purple and red leaning states would lose governorships and legislatures due to people wanting abortion in their state.

 

Yup, and it shouldn't go to the states because EVERY American should have the same rights other Americans have no matter what state they're in.

That's why it's called the UNITED States, not "Separate Countries".

 

Get over your own self. Laws are never totally settled. Abortion is like slavery was. Certain people were dehumanized to suit the whims of others.

 

As stated you want settled law (as in on the books) changed because you think so. I have nothing to get over here.

 

Sorry, but a human life has more value than a bag of coins, regardless of if it is inside a woman or not.

 

Here ya go again.....

you haven't presented a clear point or fact so have to deliberately pick a nit and twist it into something I never said so you can feel you got some kind of point...no matter how tiny and insignificant the point is..


Now, back up this HUGE point you have and show exactly where I said "a bag of coins has more value than a human life".



YOU CAN NOT DO THAT


So good bye until you actually have a point and don't just harass posters

 

YUP, Anti-Choicers want to dehumanize women by taking away their right to their own bodies (EXACTLY LIKE what was done to SLAVES)

 

I didn't say that you said that it has MORE value. You appeared to be making out that they have the same value. Right here:

 

DUH, except I wasn't talking about "value"...never mentioned it...YOU did.

The "value" has nothing to do with the point I was making which YOU seem to be desperately trying to avoid.

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FoxHastings said: ↑
So what if I "likened" a fetus to a bag of coins or her liver, they are still HERS."""""

SEE, NO mention of the word "value" nor a "value" comparison....


Now if you wish to make some kind of point by saying I think a fetus has the same value as a "bag of coins" then tell me what the value of a bag of coins is, how many coins are in the bag, is the bag filled, what are the coins?, pennies, doubloons, what color is the bag?...let's talk "bag of coins " and maybe someone will forget the point , which IS that if it's IN the woman it's hers...something YOU obviously cannot refute

 

Okay, but do you not think that a fetus inside a woman and a bag of coins inside a woman is the same on SOME SORT of level?

Correct, I cannot refute that it is hers. I will say that in the case of the fetus, it is equally the man's fetus.

 

Oh how very convenient. Although is this discussion not on abortion?

 

That, might be debatable.