Defund Planned Parenthood.

As a parent Iearned 1st about the humanity of my children.

What, if anything, was your experience as a parent? Did you see ultrasounds of your child? Did your heart melt like mine did? Did your life change?

Was that your child being imaged on the ultrasound? Were you the child's parent?

 

Actually that's a debate I'm open to. Many Pro-Life people are.

Obama argued that a child born alive did not enjoy protection under the law and could be summarily killed with no legal consequence. AKA - Post Birth Abortion.

Do you agree that procedure is killing a human being?

 

The problem with your argument and all those that argue that the fetus is a human being at some point ....before birth...is irrelevant.

The US Constitution allows for the taking of human life. [5th Amendment].
... nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;


So much time is lost debating whether a fetus is human or a human or a human being.

The US Constitution allows the taking of human life. Abortion is the lawful taking of human life.

 

Not wanting a woman to kill her unborn kid is "owning" women now? Go look up what a strawman is then feel bad for using it

 

You should carry the child.

 

No, "wanting" a woman to not have an abortion is not trying to own her.

But banning abortion IS taking away women's right to their own bodies as if they are owned by someone or something else.

 

A human fetus can be nothing but human (adjective) . It is NOT A human (noun) as in legal person.

 

We live in a time and place where common sense is in short supply...a time when historians will look back at this period as the coming a the second dark ages.

 

Having to explain this **** over and over again in the year 2018 is incredible.

 

Making abortion against the law is an attempt to control women. In many ways, it would be like outlawing my blood pressure medication to control me.

 

The current right wingers in the USA would actually thrive happily in a place like Pakistan.

 

You're not reading the 5th Amendment to the US Constitution.

5A gives individuals the right to due process, not groups.

Ex. You can't pass a law that says murder suspects get no lawyer...

Also 5A applies to government executions, imprisonment, and other punishments. Not private.

 

Another strawman. Conservatives dont give a flip what a woman does with HER body. They do care about the BABYS body, which you want to be allowed to be killed at the whim of the mother. There is zero difference between aborting an unborn baby and offing a 1 year old except liberals cant see the unborn baby to feel guilty about it.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
No, "wanting" a woman to not have an abortion is not trying to own her.

But banning abortion IS taking away women's right to their own bodies as if they are owned by someone or something else.

No, there is a big difference, a baby is a BORN person with rights, a fetus, WHICH IS WHAT IS ABORTED NO MATTER WHAT ANTI-CHOICERS CALL IT, is NOT born and has no rights.

A fetus is totally dependent physically on the woman it's in. It is using her body to sustain it's life.

A baby is NOT physically attached to, nor sustained by, the woman's body.

(ANYONE CAN FEED AND SUSTAIN A BABY BUT NOT A FETUS)


IF pregnant women do NOT own their body who does? YOU? BIG Government?

 

Again ITS NOT ABOUT THE WOMANS BODY. Say that five times to yourself you might understand. An unborn baby does need the mothers body to survive but so what? A 1 year old is also completely dependent on his parents for survival. The abortion debate draws an arbitrary line in development which basically boils down to when liberals feel like baby killers or not

 

Aaaand w come back to the argument around personhood

So at what point does that "human life" become a legal entity?

At 9 months? 6 months? 3 months? Implantation? Conception?

 

No really

You can take that one year old and give it to a wolf pack and it will survive - there have been recorded instances of just that happening - but you cannot remove a foetus from a woman to transplant into another person or thing

 

How do you propose to stop abortion?

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
No, "wanting" a woman to not have an abortion is not trying to own her.

But banning abortion IS taking away women's right to their own bodies as if they are owned by someone or something else.




No, there is a big difference, a baby is a BORN person with rights, a fetus, WHICH IS WHAT IS ABORTED NO MATTER WHAT ANTI-CHOICERS CALL IT, is NOT born and has no rights.

A fetus is totally dependent physically on the woman it's in. It is using her body to sustain it's life.

A baby is NOT physically attached to, nor sustained by, the woman's body.

(ANYONE CAN FEED AND SUSTAIN A BABY BUT NOT A FETUS)


IF pregnant women do NOT own their body who does? YOU? BIG Government?

I see you can't answer questions..

There is a difference between being an independent person, not depending on being PHYSICALLY ATTACHED to another and being PHYSICALLY ATTACHED for sustaining life.

A born child is NOT using another's body(physically attached)...and that's why is it a legal person with rights.

A born child does NOT need it's PARENTS to survive....just care by ANYONE..

Good GAWD! You've never heard of adoption and doctors and nurses and care givers and grandma and grandpa and day care workers and foster parents ???!!!!!!!!!!!!!


This is ALL about women having the same right to their own bodies AS YOU DO!


If it's in her body , it's HERS.

IF pregnant women do NOT own their body who does? YOU? BIG Government?

 

I prefer fact over emotion

https://edition.cnn.com/2012/02/24/politics/fact-checking-gingrich-infanticide-charge/index.html

The legislation that Obama opposed was very badly worded attempt to ban all abortions. He argued, correctly, that there was existing legislation requiring anyone to provide care to any VIABLE infant born alive

But you obviously want to ban abortion

Tell me - how do you propose to do that?

 

Just because you have managed to reproduce does not mean you are an expert in the field

Have you ever seen the ultrasound of an anencephalic?

Have you ever seen a woman with HELLP syndrome?

 

BUT it can survive without it's parents :

A born child does NOT need it's PARENTS to survive....just care by ANYONE..

Good GAWD! You've never heard of adoption and doctors and nurses and care givers and grandma and grandpa and day care workers and foster parents ???!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, it is legal to kill it before VIABILITY which is about 23 weeks.

After that , viability, it is PROTECTED...that's all, it is still NOT a baby and won't be until born. It is no more a "baby" than it is a teenager or adult before it's born.

So, NO, I do NOT concede it's a baby before birth.

No, no one here believes it's OK to murder born persons who have rights no matter what their age.

 

If not for safe legal abortion, there would now be among us, just here in the US, another fifty five million people all raised by mothers who would have just as soon killed them had it been legal. So, perhaps abortion does kill the right people.
DEATH TO THE UNWANTED - KEEP ABORTION LEGAL

 

Want to make a bet on the first point?? Quite famous Indian case in the 1920s but there had been rumours and stories in India prior to that - it was what Rudyard Kipling based his Jungle Books on. My point was simply that the carer does not even need to be human for an infant to survive

Until viability and birth the "baby" is only potential not actual. There are no guarantees that the child will be born functional or even at all

And no one is talking of post birth killing

However dwell on this - an young teen 14 years old - does not know she is pregnant until she goes into labour - she is so shocked that she abandons the child on a dumpster

What punishment should she receive?

 

Your appeal to emotion wont work. The 14 year old can drop the baby off at any police or fire station no questions asked in all 50 states. We already have laws protecting unwanted babies who aren't killed before birth. The viability of the baby isnt an issue because of course the baby could die, the baby could also get struck by lighting or killed in a tornado. That doesn't justify purposely killing the baby because the mother doesnt want to deal with them.