Trump is a fraud

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Sandy Shanks, Oct 2, 2018.

  1. Rob Larrikin

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    The post I was quoting had all the references you need.
     
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    You haven't offered one word of rebuttal or explanation in any of your posts to me. Not one. Others have pointed out the same thing.

    Your lowering of the bar to the everyone-does-it standard is noted. Of course, this is akin to the announcements of other Trumpsters here that they don't care that Trump lies to them and is a fraud.

    He beats his chest at rallies and calls people names, and you drool like Pavlov's dog!

    Well, Robert Mueller will be doing that in short order.
     
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    ocean515 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course I have. I'm not responsible for what you don't read, and I'm certainly not interested in having to repeat things over and over.

    You know, I'm starting to believe your requirements are to just post stuff, and then attack anyone who attempts to debate the content. It would appear you have no working knowledge of what you are posting, as you seem to lack any ability to debate the finer points. You post some headline from the usual sources, can't back up anything buy law or objective reasoning, and just throw out lame insults and attacks. Over and over.

    I'm fascinated by that.
     
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    Quoting from the Times then calling it a lie. Sure, that makes sense.....not.
     
  5. Dayton3

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    Not all wars are bad.
     
  6. Rob Larrikin

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    Get back to me when you have an argument.
     
  7. Sandy Shanks

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    Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

    There were no serious takers to the issues I raised in post #311, although one Trump supporter suggested we start WWIII.
     
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    Germany and Japan during the 1930's thought they were too powerful to be ignored. They experienced a sharp rise in nationalism, the kind of nationalism Trump is encouraging. The result is the most devastating war in the history of man.

    I suggest you try another line of reasoning ... if there is one to justify Trump's incredibly stupid foreign policy.
     
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    uhm, you said "post #311." would you care to tell me which member of the forum created that unique post?
     
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    https://thehill.com/opinion/white-h...actions-protected-political-embarrassment-not

    Sure.....
     
  11. Dayton3

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    Japan was never more than a regional power.

    Germany was too powerful to ignore but they made the mistake of taking on the country with the largest land area and army (U.S.S.R.), largest colonial empire, (Britain) and largest economy (U.S.) simultaneously.

    I don't see the U.S ever doing that.
     
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    Whatever. Look in the mirror. I'm not the only one here who has called you out for everything you accused me of doing! In fact, you get called out all the time.
     
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    I understand. You, Lee, and a couple others operate from the same manual.
     
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    Did you see the news. Rod Rosenstien was certainly working to provoke the 25th amendment . Trump right again . Yes?
     
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    You just said the U.S. was too big, too powerful to ignore. That is what prompted my remarks. That thinking is remarkably similar to 1930's Germany and Japan.

    My point, Trump's nationalism is dangerous. You are probably right. Not even Trump is stupid enough to cause WWIII. Besides, he doesn't have the balls. He is all talk.

    However, nationalism will isolate our country eventually if Trump isn't stopped. Isolating the U.S. is what Trump is doing with his tariffs, trade wars, and animosity towards our friends and allies to include NATO and the G-7. He has removed the U.S. from agreements we have signed -- TPP, Paris Accord, and JCPOA -- and threatened others, NAFTA and the WTO. He is removing the U.S. from the leadership of the free world, and nations like Germany, France, and Britain have to adjust to the loss of American leadership.

    All of this will only make us weaker. Can't you see that?
     
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    Still no takers on the issues I raised regarding Trump's foreign policy debacles.

    I have asked Trump supporters to explain something to me. If Iran were to withdraw from the JCPOA just as Trump did with the U.S., what is to stop Iran from resuming her research on nuclear weapons?

    Explain this while you are at it. Trump's fans have expressed your undying support for Trump's foreign policy. Trump withdrew the U.S. from the TPP. Trump withdrew the U.S. from the Paris Accord. Trump withdrew the U.S. from the JCPOA. He rejected Security Council resolutions and unilaterally declared Jerusalem the capital of Israel, thereby removing the U.S. from Middle East peace negotiations. He has threatened to withdraw the U.S. from the WTO. He has removed the U.S. from its leadership role in the G-7, and the U.S. has become a pariah within that organization. At the most recent summit, he antagonized our NATO allies and made boastful claims that simply were not true.

    Tell me, with Trump as President, why should any nation in the world trust the U.S. in an agreement? Why in the world would North Korea agree to sign a denuclearization deal with the U.S. as long as Trump is President? He broke a nuclear deal with Iran. Depending on the circumstances -- which could be who he last talked to -- Trump can just withdraw from a signed agreement. He has done it.

    Any Trump fan care to deal with these issues?

    Probably not. They want to talk about Kavanaugh or the economy.
     
  18. Dayton3

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    I've answered your comments. You've simply ignored me.

    U.S. strength and leadership has never depended on our participation in international organizations. I would argue that being constrained by such international organizations serves to weaken the U.S.
     
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    Exactly how many wars have we won since WW2???
     
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    You have commented on the post regarding Trump's foreign policy disasters. You have not answer the issues I raised. Mostly, you tried to change the subject.

    Care to try again? Post 342.

    I thought not. There is no answer for Trump foreign policy debacles.
     
  21. Rob Larrikin

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    You keep using the word 'withdraw' instead of the words 'stop,' 'change,' re-negotiate,' or 'work out a better deal'. For instance, when Trump "withdrew" from the "Paris Accord" he clearly said he was willing to renegotiate a better deal. None of the Global Warming nuts were interested in renegotiating. In that case, it was they who "withdrew", like a French snail back into its shell.
     
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    I used the term, "withdraw," because that is exactly what Trump did. He withdrew the U.S. from the TPP, Paris Accord, and the JCPOA, the latter particularly stupid because it frees Iran up to restart its nuclear research and development if she so chooses. You didn't know all that? You are not very well informed.

    Then there is this piece of idiocy. "For instance, when Trump "withdrew" from the "Paris Accord" he clearly said he was willing to renegotiate a better deal." Trump also said that about the TPP. It hardly matters what Trump said. A nation can't withdraw from an agreement then try to renegotiate the terms of the agreement. Duh!

    I'm guessing you voted for Trump.
     
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    I answered your post #342.

    U.S. strength and leadership has never depended on our participation in international organizations. I would argue that being constrained by such international organizations serves to weaken the U.S.

    NO offense but I know you to be well educated and reasonable yet I've never seen anyone so consumed by hatred for a single person that they so utterly go around the bend as you have been since the Trump presidency began.
     
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    Japan by most accounts killed more then Germany.
    Japan attacked territories of the of the US. Just because they didn’t kill as many whites as Asians, doesn’t make them less of a threat to world peace.
    Japan had the third largest navy behind the US and Great Britain.
    They were not, just a regional power.
     
  25. Dayton3

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    Yes they were. While they had the third largest navy it was grossly inferior to that of the U.S. and they were extremely resource poor. The huge death tolls racked up by the Japanese was largely due to their war against China.
     

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