Governor Race, 2018 - Florida Edition

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  1. Curious Always

    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What a joke.

    The Republican candidate for governor, Ron DeSantis, is running ads about how the D candidate, Andrew Gillum, is on the run and hiding from the FBI.

    This is reason number 123,483 that I believe the lessor of two evils is still evil.

    The partisan proles are so stupid that they will happily believe the FBI is so incompetent that they can't catch someone on run from the FBI that is a candidate in a gubernatorial election.

    I'm tempted to get my ballot and slam it on the desk and scream, "OMG YOU GUYS! One of these guys is on the run from the FBI! Someone call the FBI right NOW!"

    I am a ridiculous advocate that free speech trumps all else, but, I am starting to consider that intentionally lying during a campaign should be illegal. I'm not talking about spin, but, seriously, a guy on the run from the FBI?

    I guess the FBI has no investigators in Florida.

    Partisans suck.

    PS - Gillum's crime is that he is cooperating in some sort of FBI investigation.
     
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    And Gillum responded with the states Sheriffs backing him.
     
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    I live in Fl and see many ads a day. Could you post that or admit to exaggeration? The ad says he is connected to it. As mayor, that's not unreasonable.

    As for me and my house, we wont be voting for a Socialist.
     
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    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Andrew+Gi...nor+and+also+from+the+FBI&atb=v117-2_g&ia=web

    That should get you to where you need to be to see this happening, real time.
    - My R friends tell me it's proof I need to vote R, but my D friends were conveniently available to show it's BS.
    - If it were a D guy that did this, I'd hear how it's proof I need to vote D, but my R friends will be happy to show the hypocrisy.

    Hypocrisy is both funny & sad, if you have the ability to turn partisan blinders off. Try it sometime, I highly recommend.
     
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    Ad said he was running for gov and also from the FBI. Not quite as you claimed.
    I agree it's dishonest but when has any sane person expected honesty in political attack ads.
    I don't believe anything in attack ads from either side, informed voters research claims.

    One thing is sure, Gillum wants to abolish ICE, free stuff, socialist guy.

    I will certainly vote against him and I stridently encourage any who listen to do so as well.

    How much will his agenda cost Fl taxpayers?
    http://sunshinestatenews.com/story/gillums-sandersesque-agenda-where-will-money-come


    Gillum's Sandersesque Agenda: Where Will the Money Come from?
    By
    Nancy Smith
    September 28, 2018 - 6:00am
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    Andrew Gillum
    Democrats are giddy over Andrew Gillum's September lead, I get that. But the rest of us are hoping they might take a break from blowing raspberries at Gillum's Republican opponent long enough to answer some of the questions we have about this hard-left gubernatorial candidate.

    Gillum is campaigning as a member of the Sanders–Ocasio-Cortez wing of the party: He wants to abolish ICE, raise the minimum wage to $15, pass single-payer health care, and increase taxes across the board.

    That's quite a sea change for Florida. "With its laissez-faire economic policies and its general respect for personal liberty, Florida has long been considered one of the freest states in the union," says the National Review.

    I couldn't agree more.

    [​IMG]Are Floridians truly ready to put a socialist in the governor's mansion?

    Let's leave the candidate's record as mayor of Tallahassee for another day. Look at the bigger issue for a moment, his plan for Florida.

    I see an agenda taken straight from the Bernie Sanders playbook. Which might be well and good for less free, less successful states than ours.

    Gillum is a dedicated opponent of gun rights. He wants a ban on “assault weapons” and a crackdown on private gun sales. How restrictive is he planning to be?

    We know he's no friend of due process, because he's endorsed proposals to restrict the Second Amendment rights of people who haven't been convicted of crimes. He recommended municipalities pass gun restrictions that flout state law. I may be wrong here, but I'm pretty sure Floridians want a governor who treats the Second Amendment as if it were part of the Constitution.

    On health care, Gillum wants increased government involvement at the federal and state levels. He supports Sanders’ “Medicare for all” plan and says he would expand Medicaid in Florida. He has floated other ideas to increase state spending on health care.

    I wish the media would serve their readers, serve their viewers and listeners and confront the elephant in the room: How does he plan to pay for all this? Specifically, how?

    The other day the Tampa Bay Times' Adam Smith made fun of DeSantis for suggesting Gillum "would do the virtually impossible and enact a state income tax." Smith called it a "clumsy falsehood." OK, so it probably is. But all the Times is doing is glossing over an issue hugely important to his readers:

    How is the guy going to pay for all this? It strains credibility.

    Wouldn't Florida have to adopt a New York–style tax regime? Be bold, billionaire George Soros tells the candidates he supports, of which Gillum is one. But Soros never explains where the money for his favored progressive programs is going to come from.

    What suffers?

    The rest of Gillum’s agenda -- the $15 minimum wage, the steep corporate-tax hike -- what would that do to the state’s thriving economy?

    These are the things Florida voters will want to know in the cold light of October. The Democrats and the media can play slap-and-tickle with DeSantis all the way to November for all I care. But if Gillum isn't business as usual -- and clearly, he isn't -- it's time right now to reveal the details of how Florida would fare if his agenda were realized. Some people are already voting.

    Reach Nancy Smith at nsmith@sunshinestatenews.com or at 228-282-2423. Twitter: @NancyLBSmith
     
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    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lol @ partisans.

    Just because the ad says he is running from the FBI doesn't mean the ad says he's running from the FBI?
     
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    It’s hyperbole, common practice in politics, and you damn well know it. Whining about partisan when you are clearly as partisan as it gets is just pathetic. The ad is not literally trying to say he is actively running from the fbi. Like they are chasing him and he’s on a wanted list or some ****. It’s pointing out that he has legitimate legal issues he is currently facing. Only a partisan hack would come to the ops ridiculous conclusion.
     
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    Lol..... Exactly what party do you think I am hacking for? If you answer isn't "neither," you are wrong. In terms of this governor race, I will be choosing whomever on the ballot doesn't sport a cute lil' (D) or (R) next to his/her name. If there's more than one of those, I will go by which has the most syllables in their last name. If it's a tie, I'll pick like I choose a horse - whichever has the cutest name.

    I loathe both parties and their lies and shady tactics they use to paint the "other" as evil incarnate while pretending they are God's chosen angel. It's pathetic & it disgusts me.
     
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    in other words you've eliminated yourself from the decision-making process, you are utterly irrelevant and proud of it. Good for you, enjoy the feeling of your own self-righteousness and enormous moral superiority while American citizens are busy making the hard choices and deciding the future of the country.
     
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    Bah - 60% of the country knows who they are voting for before the specific candidates are known. They only care about the letter in the parenthesis. Politicians are nothing but criminals. The lessor of two evils is still evil. I vote to show that people exist who don't buy into the crap that these asshats are selling.

    Those who don't know who they are voting for use all sorts of criteria, but they are mostly holding their noses, because they know how much both candidates stink.

    My choices for governor are shitty versus shitty. Which would you choose? Same with Senator -really shitty versus really shitty. Which do you prefer?

    We need to remove the (letter) from the ballot and make people think.
     
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    This is all true (more or less) and everyfingbody knows that politicians are crooks and criminals as well as you do and has known this for decades. That being said, people like you will dedicate their life to admiring their own self-righteousness, purity and moral superiority while leaving it up to those who live in the real world to make the hard decisions, imperfect as they may be and determine the future of the country.

    PS this election is not "shitty vs shitty", this is plain absurd. The difference can't possibly be more enormous than the difference between the republican party of Trump with all its pros and cons and the socialist party of Sanders with all its pros and cons, open borders vs enforcement, amnesty vs deportation, free trade vs protectionism, isolationism vs interventionalist approach, America first vs globalism first etc.
     
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    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So you go straight R. Do you even learn anything about these asshats before filling in the R circle? Do you even know the names ahead of time? Or, it doesn't matter, just go with the R because they are sooooooooo awesome.
     
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    I will be a relevant part the democratic process, you'll be its irrelevant part. keep admiring your moral superiority while the rest of the country has an incredibly consequential decision to make.
     
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    That’s nice. Now would you care to actually address the topic of discussion?
     
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    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The topic of discussion is the lying that goes on by liars trying to get elected to office. I was specifically discussing a Florida Gubernatorial race, but how is anything I said off-topic?
     
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    So then respond to what I said in regards to that topic instead of your random tangent about how you're some high and mighty independent and not a partisan. No one cares.
     
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    Anyone that wants to abolish ICE and make our borders even more open for illegal immigrants should not be put in a position of power. I would be voting Republican if I lived in Florida. Forget the Democrats and all of their lies. We are tired of it.
     
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    You called me a partisan hack. I responded to that.
     
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    I'm sick of both team's lies. You find one team's lies tasty and the others are foul. To me, nasty is nasty regardless of the color.
     
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    Never going to happen. Democrats are all about identity politics. I can hear the whining the day after an election "I voted for the wrong person by mistake and I want a do over". bawl.gif "The Russians made me forget my candidates name".
     
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    We've had a Republican governor for the last 20 years and the state is healthier than any run by a Democrat. don't fix it if it aint broke.
     
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    Pretty much my view, too, although I've only been here about 15 years. That said, I think Gillum is going to take the governorship. I feel sorry for the state when the hurricanes under the Gillum admins hit. Dems just can't seem to handle the aftermath of hurricanes as well as Republicans.
     
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    Here's more:

     
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    The lure of "Free Stuff" is tempting to children.
     
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    This is a response to the article I posted in post #23:

     
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