Glocks and Nazi memorabilia: I'd get in trouble at home for what I saw at a US gun show

Never mind the fact gun control can only affect suicides of people who will only commit suicide with a gun, do not already have one, and cannot legally obtain one.

 

Can there be more than one truth?

 

Over 90% of all gun crimes are committed by people forbidden to own or possess guns. Therefore these people are already banned from having firearms. So if you are having a ban firearms argument, you need to omit the crimes committed by those 90% from your argument, because it is already shown that that segment of the population does not recognize or honor bans.

 

The United States actually has one of the lowest gun homicide rates in the Americas. This also brings into question, how low would our homicide rate be if we didn't allow all those violent people into our country from places like Honduras, Venezuela, Mexico, Jamaica, Guatemala and others?

Maybe we should be more concerned about stopping the gun violence culture instead of blaming the tool.

Firearm-related death rate per 100,000 population per year
Country Year Total Homicides Suicides Unintentional Undetermined Guns per 100 inhabitants Sources and notes
Honduras mixed years 60.00 (2015) 66.64 (2013) 0.41 (2013) 0.13 (2013) ? 9.9–11.24 (mixed years) Guns in Honduras[30]
Venezuela mixed years 59.13 39.00 (2009) 0.48 (2007) 0.17 (2007) 19.48 (2007) 10.7 Guns in Venezuela[81]
Swaziland ? 37.16 37.16 (2004) ? ? ? 6.4 Guns in Swaziland[69]
Jamaica ? 30.72 30.38 (2013) 0.34 (1995) ? ? 8.1 Guns in Jamaica[39]
Guatemala mixed years 34.10 29.62 (2013) 0.34 (2009) 1.33 (2009) 2.81 (2009) 13.1 Guns in Guatemala[29]
El Salvador 2011 45.6 26.49 (2013) 0.13 (2009) 0.15 (1999) unavailable 5.8 Guns in El Salvador[21]
Brazil 2012 21.9 20.7 0.5 0.1 0.5 8.6 Guns in Brazil[9]
Colombia 2015 18.65 17.74 0.59 0.04 0.29 6.9 (2012) GunPolicy.org[14]
Panama mixed years 15.11 14.36 (2013) 0.57 (2009) 0.06 (2002) 0.12 (2009) 21.7 Guns in Panama[54]
Philippines ? 8.90 8.90 (2003) ? ? ? 4.7 Guns in Philippines[57]
South Africa 2010 8.3 8.2 0.1 0.02 (1999) 0.11 (1999) 12.7 Guns in South Africa[66]
Mexico Mixed Years 7.64 6.34 (2015) 0.44 0.40 0.46 15 Guns in Mexico[46]
Paraguay mixed years 7.76 5.78 (2013) 1.16 (2009) 0.30 (2009) 0.52 (2009) 17 Guns in Paraguay[55]
Costa Rica 2012 6.3 5.63 1.1 0.04 0.09 8.6 GunPolicy.org[15]
Uruguay mixed years 11.52 4.78 (2013) 4.68 (2009) 2.00 (2009) 0.06 (2009) 31.8 Guns in Uruguay[80]
United States 2016 11.96 4.62 7.10 0.15 0.09 89 Guns in United States[79]
Peru mixed years 5.53 4.22 (2013) 0.07 (2009) 0.93 (2007) 0.31 (2007) 18.8 Guns in Peru[56]
Nicaragua mixed years 4.68 3.72 (2012) 0.34 (2010) 0.16 (2010) 0.46 (2010) 7.7 Guns in Nicaragua[52]

 

must I repeat myself?

And YOU want to impress me with the belief that Honduras etc are so much worse than the US? Shyte, yes, it is a poor country and lives on drug smuggling to survive. That always goes along with guns and violence.
The US, too, deals with drugs, even the CIA makes money off of drug trafficking.

 

All in itself? No. It's just a symptom of the problem.

 

Not much of an argument when you have to cherry pick the data to make it work. Doesn't change the facts. Most Central and South American countries have several times the gun homicide rate the US has. In addition, they only have a fraction of the number of guns. Facts make anyone who says less guns=less gun deaths look pretty uninformed.

 

By....eliminating the people in it? Sorry bro, I don't think that idea has legs.

 

Who said anything about eliminating anyone? Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

 

That's what "not letting them in " would be, no? That is basically all you really proposed, to combat the violent gun culture . That's not to say you don't have other ideas, too.

You identify this problem...but what of solving it? I'm on board with the general idea of solving it.

 

Uh, no. I don't let stray cats in my house either, but that is not eliminating them.

Gun violence culture starts with glamorizing it in movies, rap music and video games. You also are not going to stop it as long as you have gang bangers. A big part of that is gangs like MS13 and others who come here with the immigrants. Why are we letting career criminals into our country?

 

Yes it is.... you eliminate cats from our country in this exact way. Don't get all semantic and soft on me now, I'm not implying murder.

Hmm, maybe. And we are not necesarily letting career criminals into our country. may of these kids in these gangs were born right here. The culture turns them into criminals.

But still: what's the solution? we can haggle over the cause all day, but would you really say there is any way to directly address guns in movies? Those were there before today's gang bangers, I might note.

I don;'t disagree about targeting the culture. In fact, i agree that we should starve it. The border thing will do NOTHING for that. Nothing. What would do it is giving these poor areas the VERY best schools, and bringing back orphanages. Make them at the schools, fine by me.

 

You refuse to accept the truth that an infinitesimally small % of guns in the US are involved in violent crime - why should we care how many times you repeat yourself?

 

I guess we will have to disagree on that. Denying access is not eliminating.

While there are American gangs. The majority of gang activity now is due to foreign gangs. These people come from very violent environments and they bring those environments with them. Texas alone has over 100,000 of them in their jails. The point being, if you do not allow this type of people in your country you do not have to find ways to deal with them. If your gang units don't have to deal with foreign gangs, that leaves more resources to combat domestic gangs.

These people don't need more schools. They have a drop out rate of over 50%. They would rather hang out on street corners smoking weed and committing petty crimes. These kids aren't orphans, why would you want orphanages? There are no orphanages any more because there are more people wanting to adopt than there are children without parents.

https://www.businessinsider.com/dangerous-american-gangs-fbi-2011-11#in-case-you-missed-it-14

https://www.infowars.com/illegal-im...ll-burn-because-we-didnt-protect-our-borders/

 

Yes there is something wrong when one item is demonized because it is used by people for wrong but dogs, which all on their own attacks on average 4.7 million people in the US each year is accepted as normal.

 

Is there a big demand for really deep hand dug wells?

 

I live in the boonies, the last time the cops came to my place, it took them 35 minutes to respond. I will be responsible for the safety of my family, not the police or the government.

Since I live in the country, I am also legal to shoot on my property and we have a private range set up where e practice every weekend. Not only firearms, but archery and crossbow. But most people would not come on to the property because of my dogs.