My Ideal Nation- The European American Federation.

In this thread I will define my ideal nation state concerning its laws, customs, aspirations, beliefs, goals, organization, economy, politics, programs, and inner workings.

This thread will not be for the easily offended because it definitely will not be politically correct.

I will try my best to not be offensive and respectful but given my political ideals or identity this might be no easy task. That's alright though in that I like the challenge.


[My vision of what the capital of my ideal nation would look like. I very much like Italian architecture.]

 

Describing the government of the European American Federation it is national socialist but it does not seek to recreate the Third Reich of Germany obviously as it will be an American version in political ideology or identity. It would be its own unique tradition of national socialism fitting for the United States itself or at least a segment of it anyways.

It is an autocracy and fascist state so with that we have an autocratic national socialist fascist state altogether. The leader would be the supreme leader or dictator embodying the very best ideals of Plato concerning the philosopher king. Such a leader would care for its nation, its people, its culture, its prosperity and general well being.

In order that such a dictator does not abuse their power in service of the nation there would be a national charter or constitutional legal framework of service to the nation as leader that not even the dictator would be able to infringe upon.

Being that I'm a fan of monarchy I've thought about combining monarchy and fascism together where the leader rules for life being seceded by their male children that take over after them in heredity.

 

What kind of nation state is a Federal collection of like 40 different nation states? This is globalism.

 

It would be a federation of local territories all under control of the new state.

I am no globalist.

 

How can there be a federation if the whole thing is run by a dictator?

Can a member of the federation ever tell the dictator to get stuffed? If not how is it in any way a Federal government?

Looks more like a move to a global or regional superstate.

 

The European American Federation would be economically capitalistic but also syncretic in that it would combine the very best of socialism and capitalism together creating a hybrid mixed economy that can only be described as social capitalism.

This kind of capitalism is heavily regulated and controlled by the state. The state plans the economy through centralization.

Private businesses exist in that there is a business owner class however they're subject to regulation by the state and rules they must abide by that the state dictates.

There would be a living wage for all people and through price controls no business would be able to infringe upon. There would be no legal or financial loopholes to which businesses would be able to exploit getting out of these price controls concerning a fixed minimum living wage.

This doesn't mean that everybody would get paid the same amount of money as different incomes would still exist depending on what a person's job or occupation is within society.

It is merely a means of ensuring economic security and prosperity for the working class in aims of creating an environment where they're not abused or financially exploited.

 

Global? No. Regional? Perhaps.

No, the dictator ultimately would have absolute power within a constitutional legal framework that assures there are no major abuses of power.

One of the precepts of the constitutional legal framework is that it can't be abolished by anybody including the dictator himself. The dictator would have absolute power only within the bounds of the constitutional legal framework itself.

 

My ideal would be something similar to the liberal federation from star-ship troopers. Similar to what we have now except citizenship is earned and everyone has an equal opportunity to become one if they wish. That way it's more likely politicians will actually have integrity.

 

Do try.

 

Well that's a simple and easy enough task for me.

 

In my scenario the European American Federation began as a small territory but expanded tremendously years later into a much larger territory. Nonetheless it only encompasses 1/6 of the previous formerly known nation of the United States that economically collapsed five decades prior along with much rest of the world in its aftermath.

The former United States is split into several territories, on the west coast you have the social democratic neo liberal territory which currently is experiencing a foreign invasion by Mexico from its southern border. The social democratic neo liberal state is also experiencing internal civil war because many of its own citizens are wanting to break away in forming a separate state or territory that embraces more communist ideals and governance.

The American European Federation exists in the northwest midwest portion of the former United States sharing a border with a territory on the other side in the southeast simply known as the New Republic that the libertarians and neo conservatives created in the aftermath of the former United States collapsing. Relations between the European American Federation and the New Republic is cordial at best where the relationship is purely a neutral one.

In the southeast coastal area away from the midwest you have the territory of New Africa which is a social democracy that consists of African Americans. It is experiencing some division in its territory because a segment of its population wants to split the territory in half in creating a nation state of Islam.

This has caused some brutal tensions between Christian and Muslim African Americans in that territory deciding the fate of their nation state. It is lead by the descendants of Louis Farrakhan.

On the southern tip of Florida you have the territory of New Cuba which hails from the area of Miami.

Sharing a border with the European American Federation and the New Republic in the northeastern portion of the midwest you have the territory of the Tribal Native Collective which is an independent territory of the Great Lakes region controlled by native Americans.

Former Alaska as a territory has been taken back by the local Eskimo and Inuit becoming its own nation state.

Former Hawaii as a territory has been taken back by native Hawaiians becoming its own nation state.

Puerto Rico seceded from the former United States becoming its own nation state once again.

In the north eastern coastal portion of the former United States the territory is simply called the Federal Territory where remnants of the old government still exists and is trying to retake over all the territories that have seceded away from its former control. It has tried invading both the European American Federation and the New Republic several times in the past but every time meets with failure as it encounters heavy resistance. This has caused the European American Federation and the New Republic to form a military defensive pact with each other to fight off all future invasions by the Federal Territory.

 

Put come meat on those bones so I can see how it works in practical terms.

 

In due time.

 

That's gonna be the hardest nut to crack, as well as determining the role of the military.

 

Why do you call it European American? Why do I get the feeling that non-whites would be subjected to "cleansing."

 

Read post #19 of this thread.

 

Merely denying thst you are a globalist does not make it so

 

The euros love non whites

So any union with them means that whites have to ride at the back of the bus

 

I am, but all I see is...

...my own post!

 

People have this idea fhat areas of the US are all one thing or the other.

Most of Orange County is quite deep Red, without the heavily Hispanic areas.

Then when you put it next to DEEP blue LA, there is such a massive difference in people that there is a nickname called “the orange curtain”.

This plan would make the “Trail of Tears” look like a weekend picnic.

Africans to the South East, Nativr Americans to the North and god knows what else you would want to move around....

I know people call Hitler super evil and all that, but all of these ideas of “moving people around” are nothing but another try at social engineering.

325 million people now, I’d say we would lose some 50 million while attempting this chaos

 

These plans look very much so like Berlin's did, with the Roman architecture creating a kind of new Roman Empire under a united Euro-American federation to dominate the planet. I wonder what kind of political system you think would be required to a) institution such a regime with sovereignty over these different nations with different allegiances and histories, and b) maintain order and keep all states within this federation. I think grounding the basis of government on the superiority of your culture is a dangerous approach, and while I think we need more collaboration between Europe and America, I don't think that should be to the exclusion of the rest of the world. There is a reason people from Honduras and other countries are wanting to flee, their countries economies have eroded into fragile skeletons of their former selves, and increasing security concerns making markets recovering there an unlikely occurrence. If we instead had an approach of investment, we could better develop these countries so that they were not exporting their problems and exacerbating ours back here at home. These are complex problems which require more than capital, but diplomatic and security collaboration over a long period of time to stabilize. If we have a failed state to our South, that could have a drastic impact on our own economy, and then the prospects of an invasion of refugee would be a reality and not an overblown propagandist talking point for political gain in a midterm election.

I'm not sure exactly what the ideal state should be, but I think each generation has the obligation to care for what they have inherited and carefully steward the democratic mandate of the people forward in creating necessary and properly functioning political institutions to achieve the ends of civilization. Most utopian ideas end up having some totalitarian element to them, as I think would be required with a Euro-cultural supremacist view which I think I see in your worldview, as it would result in the oppression in vast numbers of existing minorities and increasing amounts of refugees as we carelessly fail to work with the rest of the world sufficiently. It also fails to see the short comings and instances of luck which attributed to much of European success in history, albeit with of course credits to it, but by no means a flawless array of culture and civility on display. I think culture should be shared in and respected, but the world is wide enough for the expression of other cultures, even in our own cities and I think that doesn't undermine the democratic experiment but it enhances it. Embracing human diversity is the way forward for civilization, and this longing backward for this kind of absolute cultural unifying notion is not possible without political oppression.