Reaching for the stars: China creates nuke-powered fake sun that burns hotter than the real deal

Agreed that we have more of a presence in space. There is a distinction however between having a presence and "Ruling" space.

We do not Rule Space. If that were the case we could dictate to others in relation to space - and we can not. In fact the opposite is true. Russian's have influence over us due to their ability to cut off our supply of rockets.

 

All that would effect is astronauts going to the space station. Nothing else.

We have the greatest space fairing capabilities. And the Ability of tracking that NORAD has is second to none. Out of anybody, we have the greatest ability to control space. If we really wanted to. The only reason we dont is because of existing treaties. But we still dominate space none the less with our sheer presence.

 

It would affect our ability to put satellites into space. Dominating space due to having more satellites in space is not the same as Ruling space.

At the moment - I would argue that Russia has far more capability with respect to the ability to Rule space - than we do.

 

Very soon this will dramatically change as the United States through corporate initiative begins commercialization of space leaving Russia to its outdated and barely functional technology while they desperately try to play catch up with no money and even less R&D. Think about the Borat space shuttle rip off fiasco and why it did not fly twice. They spend what little $$ they have on CGI and bluster about new nukes and planes while SpaceX and Co. launch new rockets and NASA makes Mars plans. The U.S. dominates space in every important way.

 

I would hope this would be the case. Currently however - we rely on Russian Rockets to launch our satellites and can not get a man to the space station without hitching a ride from Russia.

 

That is about to change.
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To move beyond reliance on Russian transport, NASA tapped Boeing and SpaceX in 2014 to craft a sequel of sorts to the Space Shuttle: private, Apollo-style “space taxis” built and launched in the United States. Now, we know the names of those launches' first passengers.

At a Friday press conference at NASA's Johnson Space Center, NASA administrator Jim Bridenstine revealed nine of the astronauts that will make the first four crewed flights of Boeing and SpaceX's spacecraft, the CST-100 Starliner and Crew Dragon."
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...-commercial-crew-international-space-station/

 

Nuclear energy is not clean by any means...

 

That is why it is called an international space station.

 

As I stated previously.. I hope so. I have read that it would take us at least 5 years to wean off our reliance on Russian Rocket engines. I found this quite shocking and somewhat disturbing.

 

That sounds about right.

Next year- test launches and first humans.
Year after is integration of systems
Third years is weaning and negotiation.
Year four is replacement of Soyuz as life raft and emergency evacuation.
By year five Russia takes rides from us and they pay SpaceX.

By then this is in play.

 

Agreed except for the last point. Russia will continue with their own program - including private for profit and compete with Space X .. and don't forget the Chinese.

 

You dont rule space since you have no rights over it. Germany sends satellites to Mercury, Venus, Jupiter wighout asking you for permission.

 

I can't cry over a spilled milk...

 

Completely wrong. The reason we relying on Russia to send astronauts to the space station is because soyuz capsules are the only ones with the ability to dock with it right now. There is no other reason

While we rely on Russia to send astronauts to the space station, the same isn't true for satellites. Space X by itself will launch more rockets this year than any nation on earth.

Elon Musk: SpaceX will launch more rockets than any nation on Earth this year
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-spacex-falcon-9-rocket-launch-rate-2018-5

 

But we do dominate it through sheer amount of infrastructure up there.

Pull out a dictionary and you'll know that dominate is synonymous with rule.

So yeh. Because we dominate space, we rule it.

 

Chinese will take over the world. The US has seen its day as Rome once did. As we debate on how to confiscate the guns turn America into Mexico and dope up & queerify society, China and Russia are laughing at us.

 

Do you dominate the oceans when you have the most cruise ships? No.

You cant defend anything up there.

The following nations could switch evrything out of you within minutes:

Germany, Russia, France, Japan, China and India.

Dominate means that you are able to protect what you have. In that kind you have no ability to protect any of your assets up there.

Tell me what you do when a nation mentioned above launches a rocket and triggers a kessler syndrome in geostationary orbit above your country? triggering a debris cascade that takes out one of your satellites after another.

You dont dominate anything.

Mass means not quality. Germany landed a spacecraft on a comet. A feature you never achieved. We also landed a probe on Saturns moon Titan. Until today the man made object that landed farest away from earth.

We plan a mission to Jupiters moon Europa.

And thats just us.

Russia landed a probe on Venus and currently is only one able to bring humans into LEO.

American rocket tech is highly unstable. SpaceX quite unreliable while our ArianeV is pretty much fail safe.

 

3 SpaceX Falcon 9 rockets blew up in last 3 years. That is far too much to be considered human flight worthy

 

Russian barely functional technology...death astronauts in last 50 years during 1.014 Soyuz flights - > 0

American high tech super duper technology...dead astronauts in last 50 years during 135 Space Shuttle flights -> 14

 

I guess Soyuz 11 does not count? Georgy Dobrovolsky, Vladislav Volkov, and Viktor Patsayev. The three crew members of Soyuz 11 are the only humans known to have died in space.

I take it by "Super Duper: you mean the Space Shuttle you folks tried to steal the blueprints for before the CIA slipped in a little "Tile Glue" that grounded your boondoggle after one flight.

 

Yes we do. And its has nothing to do with cruise ships. It has everything to do with aircraft carriers, submarines, destroyers, etc. We have the most powerful navy in the world. And it patrols the world to ensure that the waters are clear and safe. So yes we do

Thanks for outlining why we dominate the oceans. We have every ability to protect our assets in space. Better than anyone

So a country doesn't dominate their their own territory because a person could do a terror attack and destroy a bunch of things?

We landed man on the moon back in the 60s soo...

Our scientists have been landing probes on comets and to other planets. Have you heard of the viking? Voyager? Juno? A bunch of others that are too numerous to name?

 

Why should we steal the Space Shuttle blue prints? It was designed and build by my people. I´m German. Not Russian. The Space Shuttle was based on the Amerika Bomber from Irene Sänger-Bredt and finalized by Wernher von Braun.

Even so it was designed by Germans, we are ashamed of it. It did never fullfill the expectations we have for our constructions. It was a flawed design and the decission for the SRB made the entire machine compromised. It has no evacuation system. It carrys enormous dead weight into space. Its highly fragile.

 

How long do we have left?

 

Wrong, we Germans landed a man on the moon in the 60th. Almost the entire design and the engineers were German. Thank us for picking you as paying passenger. Without Wernher von Braun and other german engineers you took hostage after WW II you would have nothing.

And your navy example shows why you are so powerless in space. You possess much of what others also posess. You have no technological edge.

You cant protect what you have up there. Infact even a country like North Korea could kick you out of Space completly. Rockets that launch from USA do so from a specific area and angle of attack. By triggereing a kessler syndrome in specific orbits you are basicly locked out of space for a very long time.

A terror attack in your country doesnt end your country. But a space attack ends your presence in space for a pretty long time. At least until you figure out how to cleanse the orbits.

You could kick us out of space, we can kick you out of space.

But we behave all like grown up humans.

P.s.: We might ruin your lunar landing sites though. Germany and France plan a mission to the moon. Roboters will start to build a base from lunar soil which later could be inhabitated by humans. We might drive over your flag (which is white now)

 

Uh...sure. I guess 30 years of service and a space station being built are definite flaws, and Braun had nothing to do with it. You are NOT German comrade.

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