Majority of Americans Support Medicaid for All

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  1. Old Man Fred

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    If only that were possible
     
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    It is....
     
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    You keep going down the same hole. You’re wrong. Show me your reference

    https://www.usgovernmentrevenue.com...venue_pie_chart&state=US&pie=fed&meta=pie_fed

    Here is a chart for revenues, social taxes, Medicare and social security trust funds account for 36 % of the federal income. The military makes NO MONEY. All it’s expense comes from the general fund ( not general revenue). It’s impossible for welfare to cost twice as much as from the general fund when it already contributes 36% To the total fund.

    The ss trust fund took in over 900 billion in 2015. The excess then went into the general fund. In 2015 Medicare took in 275 billion.
    https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/what-medicare-trust-fund-and-how-it-financed

    It’s impossible for the system to pay out twice as much and totally discount what they took in. That’s what you are doing....disregarding payroll tax. There is no special tax for the military
     
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    Then why don't we pass healthcare that is more efficient & costs less? If other countries can do it, why can't we? We're always saying how "great" we are. Why can't we be equally successful at finding a way to make our healthcare efficient & effective, affordable & accessible to every citizen? We've allowed insurance companies to control our system for generations, and they've proven their incompetence. Let's create a national program that eliminates those features of failure imposed upon us by the insurance companies, and join the the rest of the "civilized" world in caring more for the health of our people than profits for insurance companies.
     
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    That's because we've relied on insurance companies to cover our healthcare needs for generations--not government. Honestly, since we've never tried it, we don't actually know how well government could do it. Governments do it in other nations--and in SOME, do it quite well. Allow us to be more creative. Help us establish a national healthcare system that is effective, efficient, accessible, affordable & focused more on care than profits.
     
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    For sure....
    And, have modeled it on a smaller scale many times already . They're called Medicare, the ACA and other state programs. We also have the models from all the other developed countries. But, just like climate change, we have a minority in control who think their big money donors are more important then the lives of those who voted for them.
     
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    I totally agree. I am constantly shocked by the number of Americans who seem oblivious to the simple facts in your post, and continue voting to support that dismal minority. It's sad.
     
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    Outlays
    Federal outlays are projected to rise by 6 percent this year—to $3.9 trillion, or 21.2 percent of GDP. That increase is the result of a nearly 7 percent rise in mandatory spending, a 3 percent increase in discretionary outlays (which stem from annual appropriations), and a 14 percent jump in net interest spending.

    CBO anticipates that mandatory outlays will be $168 billion higher in 2016 than they were last year. A significant component of that growth is Social Security outlays, which are expected to increase by about $28 billion (or 3 percent)—a percentage increase that is smaller than last year’s, primarily because beneficiaries did not receive a cost-of-living adjustment in 2016 but did receive one in 2015. Nevertheless, because the program is so large, even that smaller-than-average increase accounts for one-sixth of the growth in mandatory spending projected for 2016. Federal spending for the major health care programs accounts for a much larger fraction—more than 60 percent—of the projected growth in mandatory spending: Outlays for Medicare (net of premiums and other offsetting receipts), Medicaid, and the Children’s Health Insurance Program, plus subsidies for health insurance purchased through exchanges and related spending, are expected to be $104 billion (or 11 percent) higher this year than they were in 2015.

    Discretionary outlays are projected to be $32 billion higher in 2016 than they were last year. That upturn results largely from the Bipartisan Budget Act of 2015 (Public Law 114-74), which increased statutory limits on discretionary funding, and from the resulting appropriations for 2016, which were equal to those limits. According to CBO’s estimates, discretionary outlays for national defense—in their first increase in five years—will edge up slightly this year, and nondefense discretionary outlays will climb by 4 percent.

    The substantial increase that CBO expects in net interest spending, $32 billion, results from two factors: Interest rates are beginning to rise, and federal debt is growing. But interest rates remain quite low by historical standards, so net interest spending is anticipated to equal only 1.4 percent of GDP in 2016, still well below its 50-year average of 2.0 percent.

    https://www.cbo.gov/publication/51129

    The CBO expected rapidly rising deficits beginning in 2016. As you can see, the increase in Federal outlays.

    Mandatory spending on social programs and interest on the national debt increased $200 billion in a single year, while the cost of the rest of government only increased $32 billion.

    That's not sustainable, and it's going to happen every single year for the next decade. To keep the promises currently made we need a substantial tax increase, and an to bring about single payer health care the massive tax increase I mentioned earlier.
     
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    The US has had single payer programs since 1965, and they currently represent the majority of health care spending in the United States
     
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    Yup, it is time........
    great time to cut taxes on the rich and corporations without eliminating the loop holes. I thought Ryan Nd Trump said the tax cuts would grow the economy and create more revenue.....hardly. Their economics is a fallacy. History shows they are wrong and only Keynesian economics work v trickle down. The GOP are economic liars and fabricators. I’m tired of referencing the deplorable economic history under republicans.......it’s ALWAYS bad.
    Bush lived off the success of Clinton till his economics and deregulation drove us into a near depression. Trump is doing the same. Blowing smoke.

    The gop still bloviates and forgets we’re sitting on 2.6 trillion stolen from SS and Medicare trust funds. Instead of paying them back, they propose to cut the services to keep billionaire tax cuts. They are economic dummies and always forget that we are living off the payroll taxes of the workers of America. Their BS still does not mention this revenue we’re stealing from.
     
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    It helps finance it self. The military doesn't.
     
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    That might be because that program covers the health needs of the elderly?
     
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    Good post. REALLY good post! You make some very important, legitimate points that everyone should pay close attention to. Many thanks!
     
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    Medicaid for all? I dont think so, maybe some voters support Medicare for all, but even then it would only work if individuals paid for medicare coverage in addition to still paying medicare taxes through their employers. Regarding the previous post that claims Republicans are economic liars and fabricators, likewise the democrats are also liars on too many issues. They lied about Obama Care, they failed to pass immigration reform, they raise taxes on the middle class and over regulate small businesses. So as much as you may want to blame republicans, call us racists when we disagree with your views; we feel the same about you. Only we dont use violent protests, but rather work to get laws changed. People like Simone Simon and other activists on the democratic side are in my opinion racists, it doesn't matter that she is black, she a racist against non blacks that oppose progressive and socialist views of her party.
     
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    And yet, countries WITH UHC pay less per capita than the USA

    Waaaaaay less

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    @Old Man Fred doesn't really mean what he says.
     
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