French Holocaust denier Robert Faurisson dies at 89

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  1. Jazz

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    I gather you are not one of them!
    Naturally, the German authorities would be on high alert and do anything to discourage and sabotage a gathering in her support. So much for democracy in Germany!
    "Die Tagesschau"... isn't it a Jewish controlled media outlet, like 96% worldwide? Of course, they would downplay the numbers of her supporters and up-play the Antifa supporters!
    Too bad I wasn't there to witness the demo.
    But here is an article that states:

    Since the demonstration took place during the working week, many could not attend, but the response of solidarity from around Germany alone for this demo was over 2.1 million. It did not include the support messages from neighbouring European countries.

    https://europeansworldwide.wordpress.com/2018/05/13/ursula-haverbeck-brings-germans-to-their-senses/
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    O.k., here is the difference: 2.1 million people from Germany supported her, BUT many hundreds of protesters, primarily from the Die Rechte party, rallied in the city of Bielefeld calling for the release of Ursula Haverbeck.
    A small counter-protest was also held and two police officers suffered minor injuries after clashing with the Communist George Soros funded Antifa counter-protesters.

    I hope the two years will pass quickly for Mrs. Haverbeck.
     
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    The dumbest argument of the HC-deniers is that all witnesses would be lying.
    Of course, some lie to get attention and for other reasons.
    But ~ 99% say the truth.
    They were inmates or wardens of the death camps.
    Many of their statements agree.
    No power in the world can make so many people lie. This is not possible.
    But whole Holocaust "revisionism" dependents on it.

    Another topic is still existing documents, photos, recorded speeches of Nazi chiefs like Himmler.
    The Nazis did not have time to destroy everything.
    HC deniers claim all that stuff is fake.
    Do HC deniers really think their readers are so stupid?

    [​IMG]
    https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/cont...dence-of-the-holocaust-presented-at-nuremberg

    This is a map of the Eastern Europe used by the "Einsatzgruppen" (mobile killing squads).
    The numbers next to the coffins indicate how many jews were already killed at this time.
    JUDENFREI means: Free of Jews.
     
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    Yes, "here's an article that states..." I provided three sources that state something different than your Holocaust denial website. You think I'll take such a website seriously? The wording of the headkline alone shows what kind of "source" this is.
    It's quite clear that someone with your twisted mindset accepts only sources that fit one's narrative, even if it's an utterly absurd "source"like that. Your comment regarding the Tagesschau is also utterly absurd. As you may have noticed I also use two other sources, but I guess they are "Jewish" too, right? What idiocy. If there is no substance, certain people just use the "This is Jewish, therefore..." argument. Sorry, that can't be taken seriously. I live in Germany and dare to say I can judge how significant or important this out of touch with reality lady is, not even a fraction of what you seem to think. But you're free to interpret everything in any way you want.
    Maybe you could provide evidence that Tagesschau is Jewish controlled and please also provide evidence that the rally in support of Haverbeck was sabotaged by the government.
     
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    Firstly, I appreciate your ability to discuss this volatile topic calmly & civilly as most who believe the standard holocaust narrative rely on insults, slander & easily debunked myths.

    My understanding of holocaust revisionism is that it is based on many irrefutable facts, not just the exaggerations of some alleged holocaust survivors.
    Among those many facts are the absence of just one homicidal gas chamber, the absence of anywhere near 6 million bodies where they are supposed to be, the absence of mountains of coal to cremate "millions" of bodies, the absence of a written order from Hitler for a "systematic extermination"(1), the absence of any mention of "mass exterminations" in intercepted German radio transmissions(2), the presence of 150,000 Jews in Germany's WW2 military & other historical realities that make the standard holocaust narrative (SHN) impossible.

    I don't believe that 99% of holocaust survivors are making identical claims or are even allowed to tell their stories when they condemn Israel or do not relate stories consistent with the SHN.
    At Treblinka, alone, some survivors claimed that mass executions were done via steam, some claimed that they were done by mass electrocution and still others claim that mass executions were done via diesel fumes but no evidence of any steam, electrocution or gas chamber has been found anywhere to this day. There is even a $100,000 reward for anyone who can produce the smallest fraction of 850,000 remains claimed to be at Treblinka etc(3)

    According to the Red Cross, the one thing that most liberated inmates agreed on was that there was no mention of homicidal gas chambers(4). None of the lengthy books written by Churchill, De Gaulle, or Eisenhower make any mention of "mass gassings" nor did any of the thousands of autopsies show that anyone was gassed to death.
    So, holocaust revisionism is not based only on the fact that many holocaust survivors are not truthful but on the absence of credible, tangible evidence that 6 million Jews were meekly exterminated via gas or other means.

    Finally, I'm aware that "Judenfrei" means "Free of Jews" but with 150,000 Jews in Germany's WW2 military some of whom became Generals, Admirals and recipients of high honors, there must have been countless of other exceptions in addition to the innumerable outright frauds(5) and the many Jews who escaped to Palestine & elsewhere.

    Thanks,




    (1)“To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.”

    - Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190


    (2) “THE HOLOCAUST NARRATIVE” by Nicholas Kollerstrom
    https://archive.org/stream/BreakingTheSpell_48/BreakingTheSpell-Kollerstrom_djvu.txt

    EXCERPT “In 1941, British Intelligence analysts cracked the German “Enigma” code. This undermined the German war effort—but also threw new light on day-by-day events in the Nazi concentration camp system. Between January 1942 and January 1943, encrypted radio communications between those camps and the Berlin headquarters were intercepted and decrypted.

    Oddly enough, historians have largely ignored the information furnished in these intercepts relating to “arrivals,” “departures,” recorded deaths and other events at these camps.The only reasonable explanation is that the intercepted data contra-dicts, even refutes, the orthodox “Holocaust” narrative.

    The information does not expose a program of mass murder and racial genocide. Quite the opposite: it reveals that the Germans were determined, desperate even, to reduce the death rate in their work camps, which was caused by catastrophic typhus epidemics.”CONTINUED


    (3)"THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX"

    http://www.nafcash.com/

    EXCERPT "It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II - hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of corpses were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive allegations to the contrary, the truth is; the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the - one hundred - graves / cremation pits that are alleged to have been scientifically proven to currently exist at these sites, in which verified human remains have been tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology; contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.

    Those who believe they can refute any statement of fact articulated on this web page are invited to accept

    THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX CHALLENGE

    $100,000.00 REWARD

    For proving - just 1 / 1,000 of 1% - of the criminally fraudulent buried remains allegations" CONTINUED


    (4) “The Problems of Mass Gassing”
    http://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/05/was-there-really-a-judaic-holocaust/

    EXCERPT " The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed camp inmates at the end of the War about alleged gas chambers. The response was always the same, "The detainees themselves have not spoken of them" (Red Cross document No. 9925, June 1946)." CONTINUED


    (5) “Most Outrageous Tales of the Holocaust”
    http://balder.org/judea/The-Most-Fan...e-Miracles.php

    EXCERPTS:
    • Moshe Peer's astounding Holy Shoah tale - Gassed six times by the Nazis and survived!! - Claims people were murdered in gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen

    • William Lowenberg's astounding Holocaust tale - Had a magic thirst-quenching pebble, did not drink water, survived on his saliva for 3 years

    • Yankel Wiernik's Holotale - Babies torn in half, woman leaps 10 ft barbed-wire fence, guards nail inmates' ears to walls, jews roasted on giant outdoor hibachis

    • Testimony from the Eichmann Trial by Leon Wells - Dug up and burned bodies, used bone-grinding machine, ate lunch on top of corpses

    • Irene Zisblatt's incredible Holocaust tale- Ate and retrieved diamonds from feces, had 2 post-sterilization children, weighed 40 lbs when liberated

    • Rivka Yosselevska's absurd Holocaust fable - Escaped biting jew corpses, witnessed geysers of blood” CONTINUED
     
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    The Nazis wanted to cover up their crimes when they realized that their evil game soon will be over.
    They blew up gas chambers and crematoriums. The ruins can still be visited in Auschwitz.
    Then they sent special teams to former crime scenes to dig up mass graves and burn the corpses.
    But they had too little time to destroy all the evidence.

    The Nazis killed about 2/3 of the European Jews. Overall, they wanted to exterminate about 10 to 11 million Jews (please see the Wannsee Protocol).
    About half of their victims were gassed, the others were shot or deliberately starved to death.

    Not much firewood or gasoline is needed for combustion.
    When 600 °C (1112 °F) is reached, the bodies burn themselves.
    You can then simply add more corpses.
    The Nazis accelerated the combustion process by supplying compressed air.
    Incipient ash was dumped into nearby rivers.

    Few days ago I mentioned a book "Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers"
    Some 600 pages but very worth reading for anyone interested in the topic.
    Here it is: https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/pressac/technique-and-operation/

    As I know you understand German. So please look here:
    https://www.h-ref.de/
    (Arguments against Holocaust Deniers)

    And finally, a very good discussion board dedicated to debunking of HC denier's arguments: https://rodoh.info/forum/

    Now you're busy for the next weeks. :D
     
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    IF your source is good enough, then my source should also be good enough.
    For older people like Haverbeck and myself the war years are important, we grew up during the war!! We had close relatives fighting in the war... we lost close relatives in the war! We are war children! And you little brainwashed nincompoop think you are way above us and can teach us a thing or two!! Haha... da lachen ja die Huehner, Miss Caligoolah!
     
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    It was quite clear that you wouldn't be able to provide any reliable sources for your claims other than Holocaust denying websites and expect people to take that nonsense seriously. It's also quite clear that, of course, everybody who doesn't agree with your Hitler supporting, Holocaust denying, Jew hating world view must be brainwashed. Idiocy par excellence. In no way did I say that I'm "above" anybody, that's a lie on your part. And the war wasn't the topic anyway, so why bring it up. I don't have to teach people like you anything and am most certainly not interested in doing that, would be completely meaningless anyway. BTW, I had relatives fighting in WWII, but that wasn't the topic either. And nowhere did I say I was a Miss.
    Your personal insults just show that you have no substance to support your absurd claims. I didn't expect a reasonable conversation with a Holocaust denier, so nothing new. Regarding Haverbeck, I was referring to her role in today's society, not the war years, two different topics. The thing with her, who still isn't even remotely as well-known or even important as you think she is ("an icon to the German nation", face palm) is that she will soon join her beloved Führer, she's close to 90, soon a few on the far-right, among them the 400 who rallied in Bielefeld, will have a "martyr." Maybe you could provide some evidence that the rally in Bielefeld was sabotaged by the government.
     
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    I thought you were a female, not knowing history that well. But now I know, you are a Roman rascal. I've got the perfect place for you...
    [​IMG]
    :bye:
     
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    So, just like your claims about that rally, the media and democracy, you make up silly stuff based on absolutely nothing other than an absurdly distorted world view and start believing it. And of course no evidence whatsoever for any of these preposterous claims, instead ad hominem nonsense only. A Hitler worshipping, Nazi supporting, Holocaust denying, Jew hating person calls others brainwashed, accuses them of not knowing history too well, and complains about not enough democracy. One can't make this up.
     
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    I get the feeling that you would like to discontinue discussing this issue and appreciate your writing as much about a forbidden topic as much as you have.
    On the other hand, I feel that you deserve at least a brief response to the points you have raised.

    1. Yes there are ruins of buildings at Auschwitz that are allegedly homicidal gas chambers. Earlier holocaust stories describe mass executions in "steam chambers" and others reported mass killings in "electrocution chambers" but now the SHN (standard holocaust narrative) has changed its position to homicidal gas chambers but out of the hundreds or thousands of gas chambers that would have been required to kill "millions of people", not one homicidal gas chamber door, ventilation system, blueprint, photo or drawing has been found.

    2. Yehuda Bauer claims that the Wannsee meeting had nothing to do with a "master plan" to kill all Jews and dismisses it as a "silly story"(1)

    3.
    The human body is about 70% water and according to cremation professionals, requires 1 to 3 hours at 1,700F - 760C to burn just one body and, still there are skeletal remains to be despised of, very few camps were on rivers, no large coal piles were observed at any of the camps and the resources simply weren't available to make 6 million bodies disappear.

    4. Gas chamber requirements:
    I've already studied what is required for Zyklon B to be render it deadly. Extensive circulatory systems are required to heat the Zyklon B pellets and, later, ventilate the gas chamber for clearing the bodies. Except for the delousing chambers, no homicidal gas chamber ventilation system has been found nor have any airtight doors, official drawings, blue prints or photos been found of the hundreds or thousands required to gas "millions of people".

    As you are aware, Germany was fighting a war on 3 Fronts: the West, South & of course the East and simply did not have the time or resources to transport, care for, feed, house, execute, cremate and dispose of 6 million bodies at the same time they were being bombed, manufacturing war material & fighting against vastly superior odds.

    I appreciate the links you supplied but the European, WW2 era holocaust is interesting to me but not something in which I have an obsessive interest.
    I fully understand if you would prefer to drop this discussion and appreciate the time you have devoted so far.

    Thanks

    (1) "The Wannsee Conference: Another Lie Crushed"
    http://barnesreview.org/the-wannsee-conference-another-lie-crushed/

    EXCERPT "The actual minutes of the Wannsee Conference can be read in their entirety—in the original German here,

    In reality, the Wannsee meeting and its minutes do not contain a master plan to kill Jews;

    – Nowhere in the meeting’s minutes is genocide discussed, planned, proposed, or even suggested;

    – The Wannsee meeting never discussed gas chambers, shootings, or any of the fantasies propagated by the exterminationists;

    – The Wannsee Minutes reported that there were only 4.5 million Jews under German control (yet 4.3 million Jewish compensation claims have been lodged against the postwar German government);

    – The Wannsee meeting was a planning meeting on how Europe’s Jews should be deported, via transit camps, to the East; with able-bodied Jews being forced to build roads and other labor intensive tasks in those regions;

    – The Wannsee Conference also made allowance for specific exceptions to Jewish evacuation, such as Jewish German World War I veterans; ALL Jews over the age of 65; and ALL Jews working in industries vital to the German war effort, to be released from the threat of evacuation and be allowed to stay in Germany.

    There is therefore, no justification for the allegation that the Wannsee Conference was a ‘master plan for mass murder’ and everyone who claims this to be the case, from Netanyahu down, is simply lying.

    That the Wannsee Conference never discussed killing Jews in any way, has actually been confirmed in public by Yehuda Bauer, professor of Holocaust Studies at the Avraham Harman Institute of Contemporary Jewry at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.

    Bauer is also the founding editor of the journal Holocaust and Genocide Studies, and a member of the editorial board of the Encyclopaedia of the Holocaust, published by Yad Vashem in 1990.

    He is not, therefore, as some Holocaust storytellers claim, some obscure figure, but a leading and major—in fact, one of the most senior—Jews promoting the Holocaust fable.

    As long ago as 1992(!), Bauer, speaking at a conference held in London to mark the fiftieth anniversary of the Wannsee meeting, told the audience that the claim that Wannsee was a “master plan” to kill Jews was nothing a but a “silly story.”

    Bauer’s remarks were reported in the Jewish Telegraphic Agency of January 23, 1992, and the Canadian Jewish Times of January 30, 1992.
     
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    Why do professionally indoctrinated holocaustian cult members assume than anyone not gullible enough to believe the absurdly impossible standard holocaust narrative (SHN) automatically assume that those who reject the SHN are "Hitler worshiping, Nazi supporting Jew haters"?

    Can't one reject the fictions used to extract $ Billions from countries & entities around the world & not be a "Hitler worshiping , Nazi supporting Jew hater"?
     
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    Not that I'm not aware of the intention here, but you would have to ask a "professionally indoctrinated Holocaustian cult member" as you calll it.
    Regarding the Hitler worshipping, Nazi supporting, Jew hating, etc., you just have to read said user's comments, that's all.
    Of course, everybody who disagrees with a Holocaust denier's point of view is indoctrianted and brainwashed since only Holocaust deniers have the monopoly on 'the real truth'. No further questions.
     
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    These combustion experts describe the burning of single bodies. In Nazi crematoria, however, many bodies were burned at the same time.

    You are right that 70% of a human body is water. At this high temperature, however, free water immediately turned to steam and leaves the burning site. It can't cool down the combustion process.

    Of course, it's possible that some corpse parts can't be burned. For such pieces the Nazis had a "Knochenmühle!" (bone mill), a blender-like device that converts bones and teeth into dust.

    [​IMG]

    ^^ Here you can see a "bone mill" that was used by the Nazis during the subsequent removal of the mass graves.
     
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    - large amounts of coal were not necessary.
    - ashes were loaded onto trucks to be transported. They could drive many miles to far away rivers.
    - nearly 1,1 million Jews were gassed in Auschwitz, not 6 million
     
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    I appreciate your responding but my question is, more specifically, do you believe that it is possible to reject the standard holocaust narrative (SHN) and not hate Jews as numerous other groups were equally persecuted?

    As Norman Finkelstein points out in his book, "The Holocaust Industry", certain dishonest and greedy Jewish individuals have crassly exploited that tragic event for profit and operate under the racist delusion that the WW2 era, European holocaust is exclusively Jewish property and therefore more profound than the innumerable other greater or equal mass tragedies because Jews were a target of "industrialized, systematic mass gassings".

    I simply believe that the loss of any innocent life is significant regardless of race, creed. nationality or ethnic group and that the search for the truth as to their fates is in no way disrespectful to their memory.
    I feel that their memory has been done far greater damage by the greedy machinations of the Jewish Claims commission(1) that has perpetuated manifold frauds on a massive scale

    I don't think that you can deny the fact that what is regarded as "The" holocaust and the SHN has been the most widely marketed, over dramatized and crassly exploited mass tragedy of all mass tragedies.
    The survivors of Stalin's atrocities have been unable to extract $ Billions in reparations and most people don't know anything about Pol Pot, Genrikh Yagota, Solomon Morel or Lenoid Reichman.


    Re:
    It is not those who reject the SHN who wish to repress free speech. It is only those who can show absolutely no hard evidence that "millions were gassed in homicidal gas chambers" who must persecute independent thinking individuals like Faurisson & Haverbeck.
    The truth welcomes the sunlight of honest examination & open discussion. It is only a fragile lie that requires State enforcement & mandatory belief.



    (1) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "Writing to the Claims Conference’s board last week, recently terminated ombudsman Shmuel Hollander asserted that, while reports had said organizational insiders had siphoned off $57 million in German taxpayer funds meant for survivors, “the final sum is in all probability much higher.”CONTINUED
     
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    The Wannsee Conference: Another Lie Crushed
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    Not only did the Jews survive the Holocaust, they’ve emerged as the single most powerful ethnic group on the planet…


    For more reading check here:
    https://barnesreview.org/the-wannsee-conference-another-lie-crushed/
    --------
    It is getting harder and harder to believe the official story!
    No wonder Israel needs an army of Hasbara agents to enforce it over and over.
     
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    I found what I hope is an independent source that explains that the cremation ovens were only designed for one person at a time and that in order for holocaust lore to be true, the time to burn as many bodies as claimed must have been fewer than 10 minutes.

    Do you really believe that a human body can be burned in 10 minutes and where are all the bone mills that would have been needed to process 10,000 skeletons per day?

    Additionally, bone mills do not destroy teeth or bones that have not been completely incinerated. Tens of millions of teeth, alone, would have remained.

    Finally, if all the inmates were working at a work camp while in a weakened & starving state, who has the strength & energy to shovel tons of ashes & teeth into trucks & why would the very practical Germans waste extremely precious fuel badly needed in fighting a 3 Front war driving truckloads of teeth & ashes around the countryside?

    There comes a point at which holocaust fables are not only impossible but simply irrational.



    "The capacity of the crematories in the German concentration camps"
    http://www.patriot.dk/lagace1.html

    EXCERPT "The established historiography claims that 9,000 - 12,000 bodies per day were cremated in 52 crematoria ovens in Auschwitz-Birkenau. That means that it would have been possible to cremate a body in less than 10 minutes. Even with the most modern crematories it is not possible to cremate a body in less than one hour. Ivan Lagace(the former manager of a large crematory in the Canadian city of Calgary) inspected the crematories at the Auschwitz museum and presented the following conclusion under oath to the court in Toronto:


    At 2,000 F or more with a 2,500 cfm blowered air supply from the outside, modern retorts will cremate one corpse in 1.25 hours. Theoretically, this is 19.2 in a 24 hour time period. Factory recommendation for normal operation and sustained use allows for three (3) or less cremations per day. Older oil, coal and coke furnaces with forced air (but no direct flame application) normally took 3-5 to 4 hours for each corpse. Theoretically, this would allow for 6.8 corpses in a 24 hour time period at a maximum. Normal operation permits a maximum of three (3) cremations in a 24 hour time period.

    The crematories utilized at the inspected German facilities were of the older type.

    They were constructed of red brick and mortar and lined with a refractory brick. All the ovens had multiple retorts, some were blowered (although none had direct combustion) none had afterburners and all were coke fired except one facility no longer in existence at Majdanek.

    None of the retorts inspected and examined at all of the locations were designed for multiple corpse incineration."CONTINUED
     
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    In Auschwitz-Birkenau, the authorities had no respect for the dead and did not abide by civilian rules of cremation. They burned multiple bodies at once and the process was continuous. It is a false comparison to equate the cremations at Auschwitz-Birkenau with civilian crematoria.
    --> https://www.hdot.org/debunking-denial/ab4-civilian-ovens-comparison/
     
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    Why do HC-deniers celebrate themselves?
    This emotional component makes HC denial even more ridiculous than it already is.
     
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    For all who understand the German language:
    Adolph himself predicts extermination of European Jewry.

     
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    ...or hilarious! Imagine, all these truckloads of teeth had to be extracted from the corpses first, or, if they were burned with the dead bodies, they had to be raked and sorted out.

    Years ago I read about rail wagons full of Jewish gold teeth. Isn't it that mainly the old folks could afford getting their teeth fixed with gold fillings? How many dead Jews does it take to fill just one rail wagon full with extracted teeth and fillings? Not to mention the time and labour to collect them!
    Where did they earn that kind of money?
    Both my parents had their teeth extracted in 1940 and got dentures paid for by the "Krankenkasse" = health insurance.
    They had both worked from sun-up to sun-down since their teens and had no money to acquire gold teeth!!!



    Gold Teeth as Nazi Non-Bullion Gold

    During WWII the German civilian camp system held eighteen million inmates of which over five million were Jews. In the perspective of human suffering one should note that the number of 3.5 million Soviet prisoners of war starved to death was larger than the number of 3.06 million Jews murdered in the Nazi gas chambers in the extermination camps. An additional 1.2 million Jews were killed by the Einsatzgrupen (Atrocity Troups) and one half of a million Jews were killed in each in the main concentration camps, or died in the ghettos including those who were killed during transport. The Jewish victims were a part of the 25 million non-combat civilians killed during WWII.

    German Jews were selected to serve in the Crematoria Commandos because of their knowledge of the German language, and as a form of degradation inflicted on them by the Nazis. The Jews serving in the crematoria had to turn over to the Nazi authorities all gold collected by them in the crematoria in the form of golden teeth, wedding rings, etc. However, there was also an illegal trade with the Nazi SS guards carried on by the Jews working in the crematoria. It consisted of exchanging gold for food and other items such as cigarettes, drugs, atc. Gold Teeth collected in crematoria were classified as Nazi "Non-Bullion Gold" according to the NAZI GOLD: The British and Allied attempt to deal with loot from the Second World War and the implications for the Tripartite Gold Commission" published by "The Holocaust Education Trust, November 1997 - Second Edition. In Auschwitz, a laboratory for melting gold (Goldgiesserei) was built in Crematorium III, where gold teeth as well as other gold-containing loot were turned into ingots.. Naturally most of the gold which the Nazis stole originated from the national bank reserves of the occupied countries. Gold, by its very nature, has the property of being easily changed in appearance. During the trial at Nuremberg, it was established that on Saturday 3 February 1945, with a German defeat imminent, the Reichsbank building in Berlin was bombed during a massive raid by American air forces. The Reichsbank personnel began to move the bank's gold reserves, as well as cash, art and sculpture to the salt mine at Merkers in Thuringia, 200 miles south-west of Berlin.
    Two months later, on the morning of 4 April 1945, the American forces discovered the enormous hoard. Colonel Bernard Bernstein, the chief of finance branch, was placed in charge of the gold reserves, worth about $238,490,000. This, represented 91% of all the gold recovered in Germany. The remaining nine per cent was discovered by Allied forces in a number of hoards throughout Germany.

    On 14 and 15 April 1945, under American orders and rigid security conditions, the contents of the Merkers mine were taken to the Reichsbank building in Frankfurt (re-named the Frankfurt Exchange Depository or FED), which had fallen to the Americans on 26 March.

    Amongst the Nazi loot discovered in Merkers were over two hundred valises with an SS mark on each, containing valuables from concentration camp victims. These had been carefully stored separately from other gold reserves both in the Reichsbank and the salt mine.
    Colonel Bernstein
    was careful to ensure that these items were separated from bullion gold bars, as they were clearly the possessions of individuals. They were housed in a separate vault.

    According to Bernstein: "No one was allowed on the inside other than myself, and I could go into the vault area alone and open up some of the valises to show the eyeglass frames, wedding rings and the melted down pieces of gold from the gold fillings (gold teeth) and so on." (WOW!)

    Bernstein estimated that the total amount of SS loot was worth $14,500,000. Some of what was discovered in gold bar form may have originated from personal gold possessions. They assumed that its origin was monetary, and that assumption appears never to have been questioned in spite of the fact that a US Intelligence document from July 1945 suggests that this should have occurred. It points out that 1,625 bars of "non-recognized" origin weighing 307,528 fine grams, were included amongst the bars shipped from the Reichsbank to Merkers. These made up approximately 18% of the total gold held in the salt mine.

    The Allies decided that recovered Nazi gold would be returned to claimant nations in equal proportion to their losses - i.e. that approximately 64 per cent of all claims would be met - and hence identifying whether a gold bar belonged to a specific treasury was unnecessary.

    The above listed facts are well known and therefore it is surprising to read in a Polish magazine "Poltyka" published in October 2011 a sarcastic joke by commentator Ludwik Stomma about my article on Holocaust Profiteering By Literary Hoax in which I have mentioned the role of gold in the operation of the crematoria in concentration camps. Stomma wrote: "It is a pity that the author does not mention at what rate the Jews in camps sold gold to the guards and why the practical minded guards did not build kiosks in the camps to expedite the [Sic] – illegal exchange." Apparently Stomma, despite his expertise in anthropology, is unfamiliar with the reality documented in Jewish literature on Holocaust profiteering in such books as Norman Finkelstein's "The Holocaust Industry: Reflections On The Exploitation of Jewish Suffering."
    I have learned many details of the transactions with golden teeth from my friend, a German Jew, Paul Kaufman. Paul was personally acquainted with some Jews from the Crematorium Commando, who helped him with food. Paul was a victim of a Nazi medical experiment, which resulted in his having a drop foot and a lame walk. He had to report periodically for examination and was in Sachsenhausen when most of the Jews were ominously shipped east.
    The fact that prisoner's numbers were not tattooed on the hands of the inmates, the way it was done in Auschwitz, allowed me to offer to Paul the prisoner's number of a deceased Pole so that he could get rid of the star of David on his clothes and survive. Paul did not speak Polish and did not take advantage of my offer because he was afraid that if found out he would be tortured.
    Remembering the activities of the criminal mafia in Sachsenhausen, I should mention the murder by hanging on a lamp hook of Leonard Krasnodębski in 1943. Krasnodebski arrived at Sachsenhausen on August 10, 1940, from Tarnów, together with me and about 500 other Polish prisoners of the Gestapo.

    The process of collecting the gold teeth and the trade with gold teeth was a significant part of the Nazi Gold loot, and one can notice that, officially, gold teeth were classified as Nazi non-bullion gold.

    http://www.internationalresearchcen...revisited/gold-teeth-as-nazi-non-bullion-gold
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    I sure hate the Germans for grovelling for the Jewish teeth! How disgusting!! Therefore, I can't imagine that it is true.
    And how wonderfully fortunate for Colonel Bernstein to be left all alone in charge of the massive gold content in the salt mine and bank vaults.
    This fantastic story needs some editing, I believe, it sounds too outrageous!
    I shall leave it for the Forum readership to swallow it whole or in chunks!!
    But I believe the Americans did take off with some gold, whether it be Jewish teeth or German savings.
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    Jazz ;)
     
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    I'm afraid that I have to disagree that "...large amounts of coal were not necessary" for the same reason I disagreed with your assertion that: "... the bodies burn themselves."

    I am a blacksmith who uses Bituminous coal (vs Anthracite coal) and steel to make ornamental wrought iron gates, andirons, fireplace tools, wine racks, table bases etc that are my own design as well as precise reproductions of valuable museum pieces. I've burned tons of coal over the years and know how much coal is required for certain tasks.

    I also know the difference between coal and the coke that fuels the fire as "green" coal must be rendered into much lighter coke before it is suitable fuel for either blacksmithing or fueling a cremation.
    Therefore the weight of coal is heavier than coke which is the actual fuel.

    The source I cited in Post #418 noted that the : "...German facilities were of the older type." so they would be even less efficient requiring more coal/coke to the already enormous amount required to burn only 800,000 bodies.

    Allied Air Reconnaissance reports no large coal piles at Auschwitz or other camps nor do they show smoke billowing from the crematoria so the crematoria were not in use constantly. In fact, the only smoke from an Auschwitz crematoria of which I am aware is the fake smoke added to a photo at the Simon Wiesenthal holocaust museum showing yet another fraudulent intent to deceive the public.

    Finally, too many trucks & too much fuel would have been required for haul mountains of ashes to rivers and there is absolutely no hard evidence to show that 1.1 million Jews could have been gassed and burned in the short time available:
    - No 1.1 million bodies, no tens of millions of teeth
    - No homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz, no extensive ventilation systems as required, no drawings, blueprints of photos of an authentic German WW2 era homicidal gas chamber.
    - No massive piles of coal required for "older type" cremation ovens
    - No regular emissions of smoke observed by Allied Air Reconnaissance
    - No reports of fleets of dump trucks hauling ashes & teeth throughout the countryside.
    - Human bodies are about 70 water and do not "...burn themselves." More bodies in cremation overs only slow the process & do not save time or resources.

    So, I'm afraid that we'll simply have to agree to disagree but I hope that you'll see the disbelief in the SHN is not motivated by anti Semitism, neo Nazism but rather a simply a factual & impartial analysis
     
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    Henryk Tauber who is the source for these specious claims also stated that human bodies that are 70% water "burn themselves" and that "women burn faster than men".

    Tauber also claims that up to 8 bodies could be cremated at once which, too, is an impossibility(1)
    All are patently absurd fictions just as burning multiple bodies takes the same time as burning one body is equally ridiculous, & defies common sense.

    Do you really think that it is possible to burn 3 soaking wet, rolled up newspapers in the same time with the same amount of fuel that it takes to burn one soaking wet newspaper?

    Other eyewitnesses claimed to be able to tell the nationality of the victim by the color of smoke coming from the chimney.
    Meanwhile, the absence of smoke in Allied Air Reconnaissance refutes the notion that the crematoria were "running constantly" (2)


    (1) "Henryk Tauber"
    http://www.whale.to/b/henryk_tauber.html


    (2) "Smoking Crematory Chimney at Auschwitz: A Correction"
    https://inconvenienthistory.com/4/4/3083
    EXCERPT "Hence, as of this day there is not a single known air photo of Auschwitz-Birkenau showing smoke coming out of any of the crematories. Yet there are several showing smoke billowing from a limited area in the yard of Crematory V, as for instance also on the one shot three days later, on Aug. 23, 1944, and on one taken on July 8 of that year. Aerial photography is unable to prove that witness statements of profusely smoking crematory chimneys at Auschwitz-Birkenau are accurate. In fact, the absense of smoke in these photographs suggests just the opposite."CONTINUED
     
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    As I'm sure you are aware, politicians predict many things however there is no standing order for the mass execution of Europe's Jews(1).

    Additionally, if Hitler wanted to exterminate ll Jews, he certainly would not have allowed 150,000 of them to serve in Germany's WW2 military or promoted some of them to the highest ranks possible(2), (3)




    (1) “To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.”

    - Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190


    (2) “Hitler’s Jewish Army”
    http://counterpsyops.com/2013/02/14/...-hitlers-army/

    EXCERPT “Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval.

    In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded(*)Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross.

    Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police(Ordnungdienst)(*)and concentration camp guards(*)(kapos).

    So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?

    “If the Jews were permitted to serve in Hitler’s armed forces then there could not have been a Holocaust.”CONTINUED



    (3) "AS MANY AS 150000 JEWS SERVED IN HITLERS MILITARY"
    https://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/as-many-as-150000-jews-served-in-hitlers-military/
     

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