Did these guys actually believe that they might be able to get away with it?

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  1. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

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    Get away with what?
     
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    Just keep telling yourself that.
     
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    Conspiriacy to collude with intelligence agents of a foreign government to influence US government policy.

    Blatant violations of the emoluments clause.

    Money laundering.

    Conspiracy to set up secret communications with intelligence agencies of a foreign government.

    Active participation in a wide scale operation by intelligence agencies of a foreign power to install a candidate and influence the policy of the United States.

    On all these points, there is plenty of evidence, and active investigations on all fronts.
     
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  4. PrincipleInvestment

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    Oh! There's more to tell ... Mueller who alleged that Papodopoulos twarted his efforts to interview Misfud ... an outright lie in itself ... faces further embarrassment as the Maltese professor has resurfaced. Misfud through his attorney informe the US Senate he's willing to testify ... just like Veselnitskaya did. Odd Mueller hasn't done anything to indicate he's interested in either of them.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    You are fallaciously assuming that they have NOT already come to an agreement with the Mueller investigation to testify.
     
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    Yes, I believe they did think they could do whatever they pleased and they would be able to get away with it.

    Patterns of behavior like this pepper Donald Trump's entire career. This is the way he, and the collection of yes men, shady characters and bag men that have surrounded him from the beginning have always conducted themselves. In private business, stuff like this goes on in a lot of small time private business. Usually lawsuits ensue, are fought and settled.

    Trump is in the habit of doing business this way. If he got in trouble in court, he sent Cohen to fix it with a big settlement check.

    That's the way he has always does business. He is not smart enough or experienced enough to understand that the world outside his little real estate world.

    He assumed he was going to lose and that no one would care. He also assumed that if he won, he would be king and no one would dare bring it up.

    Of course, he scrupulously avoided any meaningful contact with national security officials during the campaign. He didn't want to know the extent of what they knew about what this collection of cowboys and clowns around him were up to.


    Trump's team was arrogant, inexperience, convinced that they were largely untouchable, and generally conducted themselves the way people who think action/adventure movies are how the world works would do.
     
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    Not so much ... Misfud's attorney gave no indication tha hiss client professor Misfud is willing ... or has volunteered, as in the case of Senate testimony ... to meet, or speak to Bob Mueller. Certainly Misfud's lawyer could have afforded the few extra syllables to include Bob Mueller in his statement of preparedness to testify. Especially considering Mueller's lies about Misfud evading him due to Papodopoulos.
     
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    You have no idea whether either claim is true. You have no idea who Mueller has talked to or not.

    This is not the first time you've made blanket assertions regarding "facts" that you have no knowledge of or evidence to support.
     
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    Asinine non sequitur that has nothing whatsoever to do with your post that I responded to.
     
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    Highlight the part of my post that isn't factual OK? Veselnitskaya is free and unindicted ... so is Misfud. In both cases, Mueller had an opportunity to apprehend, or at least detain for questioning ... both "Russian spies" ... "Trump's co conspirators". Veselnitskaya in an affidavit sent to the Senate ... says Bob Mueller never contacted her. Bob Mueller's court filings against Papodopoulos allege that Misfud escaped without interview. Run those facts thru the liberal spin cycle for me OK? Hint ... you'll need that crystal ball of yours. :roflol:
     
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    We may see some more right-wing terrorism from it, but most will simmer down, I'd wager.
     
  12. PrincipleInvestment

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    :roflol: Almost IFDR ... Non sequitur eh? How might I MORE directly refute your THEORY that Misfud has "come to an agreement". Misfud certainly has indicated his willingness to testify for the US Senate ... but Bogus Bob? "NOT SO MUCH" as I said ... Statements to the contrary?
     
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    Do I have to rub your nose in the CONTENT of your original post that I responded to?

    Where do you see any mention of Misfud in your own post?
     
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    Misfud is exactly the same set of circumstances, and Veselnitskaya submitted an affidavit and said publicly she's never been so much as contacted by Bogus Bob. Has she been indicted? Has Veselnitskaya re entered the US to appear for a grand jury? I don't have to disprove your "secretly" theories. I'm not crystal ball gazing ... I'm reciting the facts. Veselnitskaya is free in Russia. Bogus Bob has NOT ... subpoenaed, indicted, or requested extradition.
     
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    Too bad you can't produce any factual and credible nonpartisan evidence to substantiate your own bogus allegation about this imaginary "affidavit" to that effect.
     
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    Veselnitskaya's affidavit is available @judiciary.senate.gov
    You're free to present ANY alt-left propaganda outlets contradiction. Veselnitskaya escaped Bob's Bogus Russian dragnet, because there is no Russiagate outside of liberal imaginations.
     
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    There is NO affidavit at that site that supports your utterly BOGUS allegation! Her affidavit pertains to the denial of her travel visa. It says NOTHING WHATSOEVER about the Mueller investigation.

    In other words you were just pulling that crap from your nether regions again!

    Got it!
     
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    huh....
    This isn’t you turning the world upside down is it ?
    Trump humps for Putin every chance he gets and is a dictator at heart.

    How you can get that for several post I said Hillary as Secretary of State had the authority to do with official state emails what she wanted....to then claim I said she didn’t is beyound the pale.

    The solution for a Rep controlled congress, was to prosecute Hillary on their own. That’s us and checks and balances, not Russia. Republicans didn’t, case closed. You can’t impeach her now, she’s no longer holding any office. So talking about her just shows how little faith you have in Trump the imbecile.
     
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    Neither or which mean that Mueller has not talked to either of them as you asserted. You have no evidence whatsoever that Mueller did not contact either of these two people.
     
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    Mueller SHOULDN'T be interested in TALKING to either ... and that's kinda my WHOLE point. Veselnitskaya and Misfud are allegedly RUSSIAN SPIES, in possesion of stolen documents. Mueller ALLOWED both to LEAVE his jurisdiction. Bogus Bob isn't interested in collusion, or RUSSIAN SPIES.
     
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    There is also the possibility that they are lying in order to regain the confidences of the BLOTUS cabal.
     
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    Go with lying ... because of course there IS evidence. Mueller submitted in federal court that he would have detained Misfud ... but he was of course lying. Mueller could have detained Veselnitskaya too. Your theory ... "secret deals" with Mueller ... Veselnitskaya lying for Trump one of Bogus Bob's conditions?
     
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    Flailing desperation of BLOTUS supporters duly noted and ignored for risible reasons.
     
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    I never misclaimed anything about what you said. I did claim that you are wrong. Hillary did not have the authority to do whatever she wanted with official state emails. It is illegal for her to mishandle through gross negligence confidential and classified material, whether that material is in her email account, her file drawers, her purse, or on her assistant's husband's laptop.

    Congress cannot prosecute anybody. Prosecution is the sole purview of the executive branch. Congress can only legislate.

    I never said anything about impeaching Hillary. All I stated was she committed numerous felonies.
     
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    Just explain how Mueller flipped the Russian spies ... who deny they're Russian spies still OK? Tell me more about all the leverage Bob has after not arresting them, no raiding their homes / offices, and not doing so much as to issue a subpoena.
     

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