Whats wrong with racism?

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  1. Sobo

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    Yes, education influence is between 1 and 5 points. When you have a country like Liberia with average IQ of 59, you know full well that this will never work.
     
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    I think alot of this is wishful thinking. If i would be sick, i would definitly not want a non german doctor.
     
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    No, natural selection doesn't favor IQ. It's just one of many ways that a species can survive.
     
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    That's not at all what I said or even the implication of it, but you enjoy your racism bud.
     
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    Lol the concept of race didn’t exist until the modern era to justify the enslavement of people of color. Before that people of all color were viewed as humans who looked because of the climate. The ancient greeks and Israelite didn’t even care about interracial relationships as their mythical hero’s like Perseus and Moses married black women.

    Racism was not formed out of a sense of tribalism. It was a system of control.
     
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    So they had masonry, pottery and irrigation?
     
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    Who specifically created the race concept as a "system of control"? I can think of several natural scientists that developed the concept. Sounds like typical cultural-Marxist postmodernist anti-white lies from the corrupted United States academy.
     
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    Are they from before the 20th century?
     
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    The Mayans built cities which had the same number of structures as Manhattan, and the Aztecs were certainly impressive to the Spanish at the time whose accounts I cited earlier. Given the isolation of the Americas the advancements they did make without the aid of livestock to increase agricultural production is quite impressive I would say. Of course, the technological pursuits were based upon cultural traditions and without cavalry and the logistics of traveling long distances on foot did not incentivize the development of metallurgy, though they certainly had a basic knowledge of metallurgy.

    A geographical and historical analysis is needed to understand the differences in technological development, racist nonsense is a poor substitute for doing your homework and actually learning about the complexities of the world.
     
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    Sounds just like nonsense from Jordan Peterson. Lets take slavery for instance, it began primarily as a system of indentured servitude where wealthy colonizers would bring up to 50 servants in order to obtain more land for settlement. The demand for labor with the emergence of the plantation system with tobacco production and increasingly cotton production, caused the development of a new system of slavery which didn't really begin until the mid-17th Century and wouldn't come into full swing in the 18th and 19th Centuries. This new system was based upon the Atlantic Slave trade obtained from the Portuguese, and provided all the surplus labor needs of this new agricultural production method. However, in order to synthesize this practice with post enlightenment westerners, they increasingly developed racist ideologies in which the West was seen as a superior civilizing and progressive element in the world in into the 19th Century in particular this became associated with pseudoscientific beliefs of the time which developed a science and identity based upon the superiority of white people.

    The legacy of racism today is the legacy of that ideological system of oppression that was necessary in order for the slavery to function in this country.
     
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    You missed the question: Who specifically created the race concept as a "system of control"?
     
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    No let's take the race concept, since that's the subject. Specifically who developed the race concept and theories of capability differences? This is all evidence free assertion.
     
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    That's like asking who specifically invented culture. It wasn't a specific group of individuals, it was a cultural evolution that adapted to the demand for labor, the take over of the Portuguese Atlantic Slave Trade and the transition from the indentured servitude model to the racial caste system in the mid 17th Century which eventually led to 4 million African slaves in the American South by 1850.

    There are many specific individuals who contributed to racist ideas, which evolved in their own respect from the racism of the late 18th Century to the more Scientistic racism of the later 19th Century and the romanticism that had emerged in the West which put a greater emphasis on racial identities eventually giving way to ideologies solely based upon racial superiority such as Nazism.

    I'm assuming you have a basic education of world history, or if you contend with one of my assertions as being incorrect you can challenge and I will further substantiate.
     
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    I can tell you exactly how the race concept evolved and who was responsible for it, and why they did it. You really don't know? Are you just parroting some phony anti-white narrative?

    I can also tell you who developed your narrative.

    Oh BTW many argue Nazism was a reaction to Jewish supremacy.
     
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    For example

    "What is of interest to us is that, with regards to intraspecific variation, Blumenbach, unlike Buffon, did not originally conceptualize groupings as genealogical units. This happened only after he came under the influence of Kant (Lenoir, 1980). Thus, Bernasconi and Lott (2000) note that “it was only in 1795” that “Blumenbach's varieties became a part of what Kant had called natural history.” Before the middle to late 1790s, Blumenbach‟s regional varieties would have been phenetic groupings, ones where members were arranged by overall phenotypic similarity. Only after Kant‟s understanding was incorporated into Blumenbach‟s system, do we get something akin to Buffon‟s races – different lineages which were identified using an ensemble of characters – or, for that matter, something similar to Darwin‟s (1859) natural divisions, where “trifling characters” were important because of “their being correlated with several other characters” and because these correlated characters indexed descent."

    This was to "justify white supremacy"? What a crock.
     
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    Wow, you should familiarize yourself more with what Kant thought about race. He was a total white supremacist.

    1. ‘The race of the whites contains all talents and motives in itself.’

    2. ‘The Hindus … have a strong degree of calm, and all look like philosophers. That notwithstanding, they are much inclined to anger and love. They thus are educable in the highest degree, but only to the arts and not to the sciences. They will never achieve abstract concepts.’

    3. ‘The race of Negroes … [is] full of affect and passion, very lively, chatty and vain. It can be educated, but only to the education of servants, ie, they can be trained.’

    4. ‘The [Indigenous] American people are uneducable; for they lack affect and passion. They are not amorous, and so are not fertile. They speak hardly at all, … care for nothing and are lazy.’
    -Immanuel Kant
     
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    That's not so different than how most people viewed race back then. I don't suppose you've read what Abraham Lincoln thought of black folks?
     
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    He also was racist. What's your point, that because everyone was a racist white supremacist that it is okay? The person I am arguing against seems to be saying that race was about taxonomy and not any kind of oppressive system based upon white supremacy. This is false.
     
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    How does this demonstrate the race concept was developed to justify white supremacy? It was clearly an apolitical development of systematics, as my quote describes. You're making an ad hominem argument. And what did Blumenbach think about race?
     
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    Selective ad hominem unsupported by history. Like everything developed by a "racist" is because they're a "racist" and therefore made to further "racism". Was Kant even wrong? What does "racist" mean? Observing reality?
     
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    Wow, this is grand. This was all apolitical, huh? All these enlightenment philosophers declaring a hierarchy of supremacy and ability at the same time Europe is beginning its centuries long pillaging of the planet. This is like arguing Charles Murray's bell curve nonsense is apolitical, IT is extremely political in that all these statements have VERY clear political implications.

    Should Africans have freedom and the right to vote? In Kant's view an African is only able to be educated up the level of a servant. Do you not think this has obvious implications as to the justification of an African slave caste?

    What a joke, that racism in Europe was somehow apolitical and purely scientific and philosophical.
     
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    Was Kant even wrong? So you agree that Africans are inferior and only able to be educated enough to be a slave? Observing reality? I think I can see why you are defending racism so much, your personal views are beginning to shine through your apologetic efforts.
     
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    An ancestry based systematics concept was absolutely apolitical, and in use today ámong all species. But it magically doesn't apply to humans because Kant was a "racist" (whatever that means)? A joke indeed. You seem to have no understanding of the development of the race concept and can only shriek "racist", in typical name calling style. And you evade my questions so we're done.
     

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