Census confirms: 63 percent of ‘non-citizens’ on welfare, 4.6 million households

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  1. jimmy rivers

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    I should also mention the costs of the anchor babies themselves, paid for by the US taxpayer.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/illegal-immigrant-births-at-your-expense/

    It was 5 a.m. and CBS News national correspondent Byron Pitts is with a woman who is nine months pregnant. She's rushed to a south Texas hospital to undergo a C-section - a $4,700 medical procedure that won't cost her a dime. She qualifies for emergency Medicaid.

    She gave birth to a healthy, 8 1/2 pound baby boy - born in America. His Mexican mother gave him an American name: Eliot.

    Eliot is one of an estimated 300,000 children of illegal immigrants born in the United States every year, according to the Pew Hispanic Center. They're given instant citizenship because they are born on U.S. soil, which makes it easier for their parents to become U.S. citizens.

    That's because those babies can eventually sponsor their parents - when they turn 21 years old.

    As for Eliot's mother, no longer as fearful of deportation, she told CBS News her name, Fabiola, and her story.

    "So your son is an American citizen. What does that mean to you?" Pitts asked.

    "I am very glad that he was born. That's why I came here - so my children, my husband and I could have a better life," she said through a translator.

    Back in December, when she was six months pregnant, Fabiola, her husband and their two daughters - ages 4 and 11 - crossed the Rio Grande from Mexico into the U.S.

    Once on the other side of the river they walked for two hours in search of a better life and free medical care for their unborn child.

    "Do many women in Mexico make the choice to have their children in the United States?" Pitts asked.

    "Yes," she said through a translator. "I know people who have done that. Things are much better here in the U.S. because they help children so much more."

    It's a "better" life ... that American taxpayers help pay for.

    Take healthcare for example -- an estimated $1.1 billion per year for undocumented men, women and children, according to the Rand Corporation.

    Joe Riley is the CEO of the McAllen Texas Medical Center near the Texas-Mexico border. Forty percent of the children born there, nearly 2,400 last year, were the babies of illegal immigrants."
     
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    rcfoolinca288 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Children who are born here are CITIZENS so of course they are due for free public schooling. What's your point. Child care tax credits are only available who file income tax. What's your point??

    You haven't established that they are collecting welfare. Please provide a source.

    Cite your source.

    What? Hospitals closed due to....free public schooling??

    And? so what? I know plenty of people who aren't illegals who send remittances back to their home countries to help their families. This isn't a crime.

    I'm not arguing anything since you have not provided anything for me to argue with.
     
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    They are legal and their stay is unlimited. But their citizenship is to a foreign country. They may love our country, but they don't have a legal allegiance to it and can not vote, be drafted or called to jury duty. They may volunteer for the military and that may help them gain full citizenship.
     
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    That was the original post. Which included graphs.
     
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    Obviously. And all Indians were children of people who crossed the Bering Strait long before Columbus crossed the Atlantic. So your point is?
     
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    Did Obama like when he said he'd shut down gitmo?
     
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    The graphs do not break down Legal / illegal recipients. Source , please.
     
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    WRONG, plyler was an egregious example of judicial overreach; the court had no right to make policy for the country and require school districts around the country to have to spend billions educating illegals' kids. That kind of policy decision is made by congress and the people.

    The illegals in those jobs took them from americans, and are using identity theft - a crime - to have obtained them.

    The OP, as well as the federal and state governments:

    http://fairus.org/issue/publication...n-illegal-immigration-united-states-taxpayers

    https://www.wnd.com/2005/03/29329/

    http://www.sendemback.org/essays/authors/madelein/medicine.htm

    The non-payment of bills by illegals, borne by taxpayers.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/illegal-immigrant-births-at-your-expense/

    It is when:

    1-it makes up a large portion of a country like mexico's GDP
    2-it numbers in the tens of billions of dollars by people who should not be in the country to begin with

    You aren't arguing because you have nothing to offer, and are sounding like a shill for the illegal alien industry.
     
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    Another "progressive" lie bites the dust.

    Whats a shame is that everyone knew they were lying but some people were willing to sacrifice the nation and turn it into a trash heap in order to gain political power..
     
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    Non citizens is not equal to illegal?
    For Illegals, should not receive any welfare, but for emergency medical services.
     
  11. dairyair

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    https://www.ice.gov/news/overview

    I'd be happy if ICE shows how many employers they arrested and/or fined.
    But for some reason, they don't seem to publish that info?

    So, 2 companies have been raided?
    Did the owners/CEOs go to jail?
     
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    Do you understand the difference between non citizen and an illegal immigrant?
    You know, illegals can't receive gov't help. But for some emergency healthcare.

    That is why this thread halted rather quickly.
     
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    As usual you did not read the actual links. And by now anyone who claims illegal aliens do not receive govt welfare is either a complete fool or a liar, that obviously ridiculous claim has long ago fallen on its face.
     
  14. dairyair

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    No need to read the links.
    The poll explained it well. Non citizens. Nothing about illegals.

    If you have proof of illegals getting welfare, prove it. Those who make that claim without proof is a complete fool or a liar.
    And by illegals getting welfare, though legal gov't means.
     
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    Who'd a thunk it? Millions of uneducated, unskilled and many not even speaking the language invading our country. Why is anyone surprised that they are ending up on the dole?
     
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    OOOHHH!!! Big scary graphs and numbers!!!

    https://www.cis.org/Report/63-NonCitizen-Households-Access-Welfare-Programs
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    Of non-citizens in Census Bureau data, roughly half are in the country illegally. Non-citizens also include long-term temporary visitors (e.g. guestworkers and foreign students) and permanent residents who have not naturalized (green card holders). Despite the fact that there are barriers designed to prevent welfare use for all of these non-citizen populations, the data shows that, overall, non-citizen households access the welfare system at high rates, often receiving benefits on behalf of U.S.-born children.
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    While most new legal immigrants (green card holders) are barred from most welfare programs, as are illegal immigrants and temporary visitors, these provisions have only a modest impact on non-citizen household use rates because: 1) most legal immigrants have been in the country long enough to qualify; 2) the bar does not apply to all programs, nor does it always apply to non-citizen children; 3) some states provide welfare to new immigrants on their own; and, most importantly, 4) non-citizens (including illegal immigrants) can receive benefits on behalf of their U.S.-born children who are awarded U.S. citizenship and full welfare eligibility at birth.
    ...
     
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    https://www.cis.org/Report/63-NonCitizen-Households-Access-Welfare-Programs
    Welfare receipt by working households is very common. Of non-citizen households receiving welfare, 93 percent have at least one worker, as do 76 percent of native households receiving welfare. In fact, non-citizen households are more likely overall to have a worker than are native households.
     
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    That's not true.
     
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    Because you think so? Sorry.
     
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    Your statement was just a wish
     
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    None of them actually are, but since the laws in some States forbid asking about legal status those who realize this apply and evade.
     
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    In order to receive government benefits in the US, you don't have to present documentation as part of the application process? Surely you can't be serious!
     
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    http://www.myreporter.com/2013/09/i...n-applying-for-welfare-including-food-stamps/
    "You should not be denied SNAP/Food Stamps simply because you do not have a photo ID. "


    Democrats main excuse when they lose elections is that minorities have some inherent racial inability to obtain an ID card. That being their case, surely Democrats aren't denying welfare to poor minority members, are they?
     
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    https://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2011/04/most-illegal-immigrant-families-collect-welfare/
    https://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-california-immigrant-rights-20150811-story.html
    https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/this-governor-wants-to-end-welfare-for-illegals-in-his-state

    Just search on the subject. Its unbelievable that someone honestly believes illegals dont get welfare.
     
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    I know a bit about this, I was an Administrative Law Judge for the New York State Department of Social Services (its now called something else). I held daily hearings on petitioners' complaints of changes, rejections and approvals of public assistance, the responding agencies (Federal, State and municipal) never presented a case file with any documentation identifying the applicant (a copy of a passport, driver's license or social security card) and we could not ask the applicant recipients any questions relating to their citizenship or how long they had resided in the jurisdiction. The applications for different forms public assistance included plenty of identifying data, but the only documentary verification I ever saw were utility bills (which don't require evidence of citizenship, just residence).
     

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