How many people are you willing to kill

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Battle3, Dec 6, 2018.

  1. TOG 6

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    And once that starts happening all hell breaks loose.

    Then there is a second part, what do the banners do when law enforcement refuses to confiscate firearms as directed?
     
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    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, lets look art history for our opinion? Did the police threaten an armed rebellion, if they were involved in ANY taking of assault rifles? How about bazookas?

    You right wing folks had BEST test your assumptions of allegiance. Such as, you think if the race war is called, the military and police will swear an oath to Shawn Hannity. Good luck with that.
     
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    When have they ever done that?
     
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    we hope its the people braying for more gun bans and gun restrictions who would be on the cutting edge of the jackbooted storm troopers sent to seize guns.
     
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    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I said, they don't confiscate, he said, NU UH, they do NOT confiscate. Then you call me a troll.

    Fair logic?
     
  7. Guyzilla

    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So you can mow citizens down with your SELF DEFENSE arms?

    A veiled threat coming from folks that are so called decent folk gun owners, is NOT comforting.
     
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    If the constitution is ignored and the government engages in unconstitutional attacks on the public, what should the public do?
     
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    you do seem rather enamored with a dictatorial style of government
     
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    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you have a differing opinion than the Supremes, then you will mow down your fellow citizens with your SELF DEFENSE arms?
     
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    It can take years, if not decades, for a questionable law to ever make it before the united state supreme court for review and decision. Until such time, the law in question is not actually constitutional. A law does not gain constitutionality by virtue of being voted on and signed into law. Such is not how things work in the united states.
     
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    He does that to anyone he disagrees with
     
  13. Guyzilla

    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You just encapsulated the entire Trump AGENDA. Do it, till they threaten to oust you for it.
     
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    How is that breeze from the porch of your plantation??
     
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    It goes quite well with my mint julep - thank you.
     
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    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I visited the south. I hated it. Too many mistletoes.
     
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    And do us a favor, don't come back.
     
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    The people can vote all they want too, the will of the people does not Trump the US Constitution which would require a Constitutional Convention to change, not a popular vote.
    Since I took an Oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies Foreign and Domestic, then I would be a law abiding citizens to kill any who violated it.
     
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    Was it known on the part of yourself, that the state of Massachusetts it outright refusing to abide by court orders to issue firearm permits to qualified individuals? The state of Massachusetts legally has no authority to do such, and is committing contempt of court in their continual refusal.

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2...un-licenses/7g7Y2jclZD9SAtf3hvXIlL/story.html

    Governor Charlie Baker’s administration is resisting a mounting number of court orders from judges charging that it overstepped its legal authority, or misinterpreted the law, when it pushed to strip firearm licenses from hundreds of people it previously cleared to own a gun.

    Daniel Bennett, Baker’s public safety secretary, told local police chiefs last week that the state intends to block certain licenses from being reinstated, even if ordered by a judge. The administration says it expects the move will spur lawsuits against the state.

    The legal wrangling has been bubbling for months at the district court level, where at least a dozen gun owners, some convicted decades ago of misdemeanors, have filed legal challenges to win back their firearm licenses. At least five have won appeals.


    But the state, in a new interpretation of federal law, is refusing to restore their licenses. In taking that stance, the administration has also opened a rift with local police who feel the state, in newly addressing a discrepancy between federal and state law, is undercutting their authority to determine who is allowed to legally carry a gun.

    “I don’t think what they’re doing is right, I don’t think it’s justice, and I don’t think it’s fair,” said Milford police Chief Thomas J. O’Loughlin, who advocated to restore the license of a former state trooper who had her firearm license stripped under the state’s new directive. “The state has decided, ‘We’re going to ignore these decisions.’ I don’t know where they get to do that.”


    The legal clash began in May, when state officials told local chiefs that the state’s Firearm Licensing Review Board, created in 2004 to consider whether people with misdemeanor criminal convictions could have a firearms license, had been clearing applicants who the administration said should be disqualified under federal rules. The state action was prompted by arguments from federal officials.

    State officials then urged chiefs — by law, the firearm licensing authority — to pull the licenses of roughly 340 people. Officials told chiefs that if they did not act, the state would refuse to process the licenses, which are good for six years, when they were up for renewal.

    The Firearm Licensing Review Board is charged with weighing whether residents who have been convicted of certain misdemeanors carrying sentences of up to 2½ years should have their right to own a gun “fully restored.” But the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, citing decade-old case law, has argued for years that allowing those people to be licensed violates federal law.


    Under federal statute, those convicted of misdemeanors that carry potential jail time of more than two years are barred from owning a gun.

    State officials say they now agree with the feds’ interpretation and argued last week that a separate state law prohibits them from licensing a “federally prohibited person.”

    But attorneys and some police say the state’s stance is all the more perplexing given its decision to uphold state law in other areas, such as marijuana legalization, when it directly contradicts federal law. They argue that it also effectively rendered moot the Firearm Licensing Review Board 14 years after the state created it.

    A wave of legal challenges has followed. Exactly how many of the 340 people have appealed is unclear, but attorney Jason A. Guida, a former general counsel to the board who now represents prospective gun owners, said he alone is handling as many as 15 appeals, including three that have been approved by the court.

    Lowell District Court Judge Ellen M. Caulo ruled on Nov. 18 that a local police chief was relying on the state’s “incorrect interpretation of the law” in revoking the license of David Babineau, a Billerica man who had successfully petitioned the state board in 2006 for his license after a misdemeanor conviction of operating under the influence.


    Milford District Court Judge Robert B. Calagione, in ruling in favor of Robin Fabry, a former Massachusetts state trooper, went further in a Nov. 8 decision, arguing that the directive the state issued “exceeded the scope of its statutory authority.”

    The judge added that it also “obstructs” the legislative intent of the Firearm Licensing Review Board, which had deemed Fabry suitable to have a license in 2012. Fabry was convicted of drunken driving in 1998.

    Calagione noted that Fabry had been a trooper for more than 30 years, served as a detective lieutenant and commander of the State Police’s Crime Scene Services Unit, and retired “honorably.”

    “I dedicated my life to serving and protecting the citizens of the Commonwealth for over 32 years and I was entrusted with a license during that time,” Fabry said in a statement. “I have done nothing to violate the trust that was placed in me and the arbitrary decision to revoke my rights was unwarranted.”

    Brent Carlton, president of the legal advocacy group Commonwealth Second Amendment, Inc., was the lead author of a cease-and-desist letter sent to state officials Nov. 26, warning of potential litigation if their “unlawful interference” continues.

    But the Baker administration indicated no plans to change course. In a letter sent the same day to police chiefs, Bennett, Baker’s public safety secretary, said the state would file an affidavit supporting chiefs in cases where petitioners appealed.

    If a license revocation is overturned, Bennett cautioned chiefs against defying a court order, and instead told them to submit their requests for license reinstatement to the state. Once there, he said, officials would refuse to process it.

    “We expect litigation may proceed with the FRB as the defendant in lieu of the department,” Bennett said, using the acronym for the state’s Firearms Records Bureau.

    Administration officials told the Globe on Friday that they respect the courts’ authority but disagree with the judges’ interpretation and continue to believe all 340 people cannot own a gun under federal law.

    Monson police Chief Stephen Kozloski said he alone revoked at least eight licenses in the wake of the state’s directive and about half of those have appealed.

    “I clearly feel that I am in the middle of flipping decisions,” Kozloski said. “However, the sentiment I got from the hearings is that . . . both the plaintiffs and the presiding justices are aware that this wasn’t something the police chiefs wanted to create for ourselves.”

    In one case, Palmer District Court Judge Michael E. Mulcahy ruled in favor of a petitioner, Scott Fortier, on Sept. 25, concluding that federal law “does not preempt” the state board’s 2006 decision to allow him a license. Fortier had an OUI conviction from the late 1990s.

    Jeffrey Scrimo, Fortier’s attorney, said if the state refuses to process his license, he sees little recourse other than bringing another legal challenge.

    “They’re trying to force us to sue them,” he said of the state.
     
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    Exactly right. The will of the people does NOT include reversing or otherwise obfuscating the original basic rights identified in the bill of rights. No matter how much liberals wish this could be the case.
     
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    Why are you not going to mow down your fellow citizens, for DEPRIVING you of a bazooka? SHALLLLLLLLLLLL NOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT INFRINGE.
     
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    bazookas are not weapons that are commonly used in a civilian environment and they are unusually dangerous. so they don't meet the two tests set forth in Heller.
     
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    Assault rifles, are not commonly used in a civilian environment and they are usually dangerous.

    Your boundaries are debatable. If YOU determine, against all others, that it is unconstitutional, YOU are the loon. Not the Supremes that have weighed the evidence.
     
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    The Supremes as you call them have weighed the evidence and AR15s are in common use and are not assault rifles. Again a fake term made up by the media and politicians to promote fear.
     
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    I figured you would. What would your estimate be?
     

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