French Holocaust denier Robert Faurisson dies at 89

Some people must have the last word.

You've had yours. Feel better now ... ?

 

1. Where have I ever said that the holocaust was "...pure invention."?

2. The facts I cited are "factual evidence" that the SHN have been grossly distorted, exaggerated & crassly exploited.
"True History" as you call it is comprised of factual realities. Everything I've written & supported is an irrefutable reality.

For example, it is a documented & irrefutable fact that 150,000 Jews served in Germany's WW2 military(1), (2) with the full knowledge and approval of the German High Command with many Jews reaching the highest ranks and receiving Germany's highest military honors. "The Jewish soldiers Bernhard Rogge, Helmuth Wilberg, Erhard Milch, and Ernst Prager come to mind." (3)


When irrefutable facts refute the myths with which you have been so deeply indoctrinated to believe, it's time to take an honest look at your indoctrination & why you have such a desperate need to believe the SHN.
I used to believe the SHN but kept an open mind while researching the topic and am now among the vast majority of people in the world who do not believe that 6 million Jews were exterminated via "homicidal gas chambers" & other means.
Contrary to what you've been led to believe, thinking for yourself has nothing to do with neo Nazism or anti Semitism.


(1) “Hitler’s Jewish Army”
http://counterpsyops.com/2013/02/14/...-hitlers-army/

EXCERPT “Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval.

In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded(*)Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross.

Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police(Ordnungdienst)(*)and concentration camp guards(*)(kapos).

So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?

“If the Jews were permitted to serve in Hitler’s armed forces then there could not have been a Holocaust.”CONTINUED


(2) "AS MANY AS 150000 JEWS SERVED IN HITLERS MILITARY"
https://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/as-many-as-150000-jews-served-in-hitlers-military/

EXCERPT "As many as 150000 Jews served in Hitlers military, some with the Nazi leader's explicit consent, according to a U.S. historian who has interviewed hundreds of former soldiers.

Bryan Mark Rigg, history professor at the American Military University in Virginia, told Reuters on Thursday that the issue of soldiers of partial Jewish descent was long a somewhat taboo subject, overlooked by most academics as it threw up thorny questions."CONTINUED


(3) "Adolf Hitler’s Armed Forces: A Triumph for Diversity?"
https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/1/3/3102

EXCERPTS " I ask those historians who still believe that Hitler and the Nazis were “white supremacists”: how do you account for the incredible degree of non-German and ethnic minority (i.e., 150,000 Jews and Jewish Mischlinge) collaboration during World War II? Again, some two million non-Germans helped the Nazis.
Hitler continued to allow thousands of Jewish men to serve, and many did so with incredible tenacity and valor. One has to call into question whether all of these Jewish men and other non-Germans were really as opposed to the Nazi regime as they have claimed after the fact. Their tenacity and determination suggests otherwise in many cases. The Jewish soldiers Bernhard Rogge, Helmuth Wilberg, Erhard Milch, and Ernst Prager come to mind."CONTINUED

 

It's not a matter of " having the last word" just as the correction I made was an accurate one.....Right?

Additionally, no one is compelling you to respond, however, by being unable to refute the facts that make the SHN impossible, you have illustrated that you beliefs about the holocaust are unsupportable fiction.

If nothing else, I had only hoped to illustrate that not believing the SHN has nothing to do with supporting neo Nazism, anti Semitism etc.
It is simply the informed choice to believe an accurate version of history as opposed to a crassly exploited, fictitious & profit driven narrative.

 

Firstly, those grisly films were made for propaganda purposes to help extract confessions from tortured German POWs and piles of "skeletal corpses" could be found in Eisenhower's death camps, Soviet Gulags, the British Empire, Mao's China or numerous other locations in the 1900s elsewhere around the world.

I don't doubt that hundreds of thousands or more died in the German camps but the vast majority of "skeletal corpses" are consistent with death from typhus especially toward the end of the war when everyone in Germany was suffering from privations because the Allied mass executions of civilians via firebombing also destroyed the German ability to resupply the camps with adequate food & medicine.
In Bergen-Belsen, alone, 14,000 camp inmates died of typhus after liberation by the British. There, too, are piles of "skeletal corpses".
You will note, however, that not one of the thousands of autopsies found anyone who died from being gassed which blows yet another big hole in holocaust mythology.

Of course many of the bodies were cremated as a health measure to prevent the spread of disease or otherwise contaminating the ground water.
However, the only "gas chambers" were the defumigation chambers for delousing clothes, mattresses etc.

Not one homicidal gas chamber has been found in any of the camps nor have there been any "homicidal steam chambers", "homicidal electric chambers" found that correspond to fictional claims of some inmates.
Homicidal Gas chambers using Zyklon-B would require extensive ventilation systems to both introduce the gas via heated air and to exhaust the toxic fumes.
Additionally air tight rooms & doors are also required however of the hundreds or thousands of homicidal gas chambers required to gas "millions of people", not one homicidal gas chamber has been found in any of the camps.

The Holocaust Industry has been exposed as a fraudulent entity since the earlier "human skin lampshades", "human fat soap", "shrunken head" and related frauds (1), (2), (3).

Do you really believe these outrageous holocaust stories?

“Most Outrageous Tales of the Holocaust”
http://balder.org/judea/The-Most-Fan...e-Miracles.php

EXCERPTS:
• Moshe Peer's astounding Holy Shoah tale - Gassed six times by the Nazis and survived!! - Claims people were murdered in gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen

• William Lowenberg's astounding Holocaust tale - Had a magic thirst-quenching pebble, did not drink water, survived on his saliva for 3 years

• Yankel Wiernik's Holotale - Babies torn in half, woman leaps 10 ft barbed-wire fence, guards nail inmates' ears to walls, jews roasted on giant outdoor hibachis

• Testimony from the Eichmann Trial by Leon Wells - Dug up and burned bodies, used bone-grinding machine, ate lunch on top of corpses

• Irene Zisblatt's incredible Holocaust tale- Ate and retrieved diamonds from feces, had 2 post-sterilization children, weighed 40 lbs when liberated

• Rivka Yosselevska's absurd Holocaust fable - Escaped biting jew corpses, witnessed geysers of blood” CONTINUED


Is there any impossible fantasy that holocaustians won't believe?



(1) "Zionists Fake Holocaust Cremation Deaths Using 35 Year-Old Train Wreck Images"
https://nodisinfo.com/zionists-holocaust-cremation-deaths-ohio-train-wreck-images/

EXCERPT "So, it is that there is not only no evidence for it, but in fact, there is evidence fully against it, proving it to be a lie. Here is the proof of the fake, the star imagery of the dog and pony show, the supposed open-pit cremation of naked, dead Jews. There were no Jews there. This is a fake. The corpses were put in artificially. The image has nothing to do with the war or post-war period. It’s not even from Germany but rather from the United States"CONTINUED


(2) "Fake Holocaust pictures — the legacy of Simon Wiesenthal"
https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/...aust-pictures-the-legacy-of-simon-wiesenthal/


(3) "Propaganda Photographs - Notorious Holocaust Fakes"
https://archive.org/stream/Propagan...aPhotographs-NotoriousHolocaustFakes_djvu.txt


(4) "Holocaust Or Holohoax 06: The Faked Atrocity Photos"
https://holohoax.wordpress.com/2013/11/03/holocaust-or-holohoax-06-the-faked-photos-2/

 

I'm not going to indulge you by getting into your mad conspiracy theory! An atrocity is an atrocity no matter what the comparator is.

 

I'm not going to dignify that load of utter drivel with a considered reply.

 

The truth is that you, too, can't refute anything I've written & supported on this thread.

I've lost track of the number of people gullible enough to believe the standard holocaust narrative (SHN) who CANNOT refute 8 simple facts that make their heartfelt belief a fraudulent, profit driven(1) fantasy.

No wonder the influential Holocaust Industry has compelled 14 governments to make exposing their extortion racket a "ThoughtCrime".

The truth welcomes the sunlight of honest examination & open debate while a lie can only exist in the darkness of totalitarian "holocaust denial" laws.

Run away if you must.




(1) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

EXCERPT "Writing to the Claims Conference’s board last week, recently terminated ombudsman Shmuel Hollander asserted that, while reports had said organizational insiders had siphoned off $57 million in German taxpayer funds meant for survivors, “the final sum is in all probability much higher.”CONTINUED

 

And you can't refute the hours and hours of recorded visual footage together with hundreds of narratives of those who survived those death camps except to submit the bizarre theory they were staged, and the survivors are lying. I'm not going to waste my time reading wacko links you've found by scouring the internet - I have better things to do. Facts are facts, and for whatever weird reason, you're disputing them. In fact you're disputing history ffs. WTF?

 

I have yet to encounter a civil, professionally duped holocaustian who can honestly refute my assertions without claiming to be "too busy" to debate in a debate forum.
You're the 5th one to remain evasive & run off in the face of just 8 realities I listed in my Post #500 on p. 25.
You're right about one thing & that is "Facts are facts..." but you can't refute just 8 of them that make the standard holocaust narrative as you have been indoctrinated to believe, impossible.

No one I know disputes that there were extensive typhus deaths especially toward the end of the war or that Allied propaganda films featured piles of bodies however not one of those bodies which were autopsied were found to be gassed to death while others were of dead German POWs & others not even in Europe.(1)

Those same: "...hours and hours of recorded visual footage" you mentioned feature "human skin lampshades", human fat soap", shrunken heads & other grisly, fakes that are almost universally dismissed as fraudulent today but were for a while "historical facts". Do you believe that "...recorded visual footage" too?

While I lived, studied & worked in Europe & elsewhere, I met at least 100 WW2 survivors of all nationalities whose accounts conflict with the cherry picked frauds whose outrageous & impossible claims you believe (2) whose grisly fictions you regard as "history".

The Holocaust Industry, as Norman Finkelstein calls it, is only interested in the stories of survivors or frauds who confirm their profit driven narrative about "millions of Jews gassed in homicidal gas chambers" while, according to the Wannsee meeting, there were only 4.5 million Jews under German control yet over 4.3 million Jewish claims have been made against the post war German government.

Holocaust Industry "historians" & Hollywood propaganda movie makers reject the thousands of accounts like Alexander McClelland's(3) that contradict fictions like "homicidal gas chambers", uniformly sadistic German prison guards, homicidal "steam chambers", homicidal "electrocution chambers".

Finally, where are the bodies?
No one doubts that there were random executions of enemies of the state, real & perceived but of all the genocides, there have been a commensurate number of mass graves found except for the European, WW2 holocaust.

Why?

The lands in which Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao & other genuine butchers carried out their mass murders are replete with corresponding mass graves but not with the holocaust.

It is only with the holocaust that there are so few mass graves that a $100,000 reward exists for proof of their existence:

"THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX"

http://www.nafcash.com/

EXCERPT "It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II - hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of corpses were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive allegations to the contrary, the truth is; the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the - one hundred - graves / cremation pits that are alleged to have been scientifically proven to currently exist at these sites, in which verified human remains have been tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology; contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.

Those who believe they can refute any statement of fact articulated on this web page are invited to accept

THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX CHALLENGE

$100,000.00 REWARD

For proving - just 1 / 1,000 of 1% - of the criminally fraudulent buried remains allegations" CONTINUED


If there were any truth to holocaust mythology, someone would be able to claim the $100,000- reward mentioned.

If there were any truth to holocaust mythology, there would not have been 150,000 Jews serving in Germany's WW2 military with the full knowledge & approval of the German High command & with many of them reaching the highest ranks & receiving Germany's highest honors.

Here's more of what you have been led to believe is "history ffs WTF" but of course you're way to busy to read anything that doesn't conform to the fictitious accounts with which you've been indoctrinated:

"Could there be anything more twisted than these Holocaust fantasists? How more and more people are making up memoirs about witnessing Nazi crimes"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...le-making-memoirs-witnessing-Nazi-crimes.html


(1) "Zionists Fake Holocaust Cremation Deaths Using 35 Year-Old Train Wreck Images"
https://nodisinfo.com/zionists-holocaust-cremation-deaths-ohio-train-wreck-images/

EXCERPT "So, it is that there is not only no evidence for it, but in fact, there is evidence fully against it, proving it to be a lie. Here is the proof of the fake, the star imagery of the dog and pony show, the supposed open-pit cremation of naked, dead Jews. There were no Jews there. This is a fake. The corpses were put in artificially. The image has nothing to do with the war or post-war period. It’s not even from Germany but rather from the United States"CONTINUED



(2) “Most Outrageous Tales of the Holocaust”
http://balder.org/judea/The-Most-Fan...e-Miracles.php

EXCERPTS:
• Moshe Peer's astounding Holy Shoah tale - Gassed six times by the Nazis and survived!! - Claims people were murdered in gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen

• William Lowenberg's astounding Holocaust tale - Had a magic thirst-quenching pebble, did not drink water, survived on his saliva for 3 years

• Yankel Wiernik's Holotale - Babies torn in half, woman leaps 10 ft barbed-wire fence, guards nail inmates' ears to walls, jews roasted on giant outdoor hibachis

• Testimony from the Eichmann Trial by Leon Wells - Dug up and burned bodies, used bone-grinding machine, ate lunch on top of corpses

• Irene Zisblatt's incredible Holocaust tale- Ate and retrieved diamonds from feces, had 2 post-sterilization children, weighed 40 lbs when liberated

• Rivka Yosselevska's absurd Holocaust fable - Escaped biting jew corpses, witnessed geysers of blood” CONTINUED



(3) ALEXANDER McCLELLAND.........LETTER
http://www.whale.to/b/con1.html

 

I am genuinely sorry that you have apparently decided to drop out of this debate as quickly as you decided to "jump in" as I am sincerely interested to know why people believe outrageous falsehoods they are unable to support in the face of contradictory facts.

As I mentioned, I don't doubt that there were piles of typhus ridden bodies found in many of the camps at the end of the war but not one of them was found to have been "gassed".
Even mainstream historian Raul Hilberg reluctantly concedes that more inmates died of disease or natural causes than by execution.

Rather than keep referring to 8 facts I've listed on my Post #500 & supported throughout this thread, I've posted these simple facts below(*) that debunk the standard holocaust narrative (SHN) which contains numerous mathematical impossibilities such as the following:

"HOLOCAUST DEPROGRAMMING COURSE"
https://holocaustdeprogrammingcourse.com/
EXCERPT "It was claimed at Nuremberg that 4 million had been disposed of in the Auschwitz camp crematoria. In 1989 that number was reduced to 1.5 million which is still a technically impossible figure. There were crematorium in each camp, but they simply didn’t have the capacity.

There are 8760 hours in one year. It takes 2-3 hours to cremate a human body even with the most modern crematoria. If one crematory was operating 24 hours a day 365 days a year which is an impossible scenario you could cremate only 4380 bodies in one year. If 30 crematoria were running 24/7/365 you could cremate only 131,400 bodies in one year. If 30 crematoria were running 24/7/365 for 4 years you could cremate only 530,300 bodies.

The camps had between four and twelve ovens each giving 17,520 to 52,560 bodies per year maximum at each camp – this still wouldn’t be possible as you can’t run these ovens non-stop without the metal fracturing. There is also the problem of fuel as each body would need about 40-50 kilograms of coke to burn – there is no record of the massive amount of coke required being supplied. It is claimed that 60-70,000 people were cremated every day. This would require a huge quantity of coke. It requires 40-50 kilograms of coke to cremate one corpse which would require about 2000 tons of coke per day. The operating documents of Auschwitz concentration camp released from the Soviet archives reveal that the entire quantity of coke which was supplied for the crematoria throughout the entire period of the war was only 2,188 tons of coke which is enough to cremate only 60-70,000. Furthermore detailed aerial photographs of Auschwitz which were taken by American, British and South African planes show no signs of huge mountains of coke or huge mass graves or pits and no lines of people waiting outside a gas chamber."CONTINUED

There are just as many other mathematical impossibilities throughout the SHN that make other fictitious claims by the Holocaust Industry equally impossible.

The SHN is impossible considering the following facts:

(*) 1. The absence of even one of the thousands of homicidal gas chambers that would have been required to execute "millions of people". Not one blueprint, drawing or photo of an existing homicidal gas chamber exists anywhere while they should certainly exist in the "mountains of evidence" and "reams of documents" that holocaustians so often refer to.

2. The existence of 150,000 Jewish military men including Jewish Generals, Admirals, & winners of Germany's highest military honors

3. Intercepted German radio transmissions(1) make absolutely no reference to mass executions & express a desire on the part of the Germans to keep as many inmates alive as possible

4. The absence of any mass graves at Treblinka, for example and the fabricated claims of Colls based on misidentified tile markings.
Even after the crude open air cremation, there would have been 850,000 skeletal remains & hundreds of millions of teeth yet only 6 bodies have been found(2).

5. The absence of massive coal/coke piles, railroad tracks to the crematoria to deliver large amounts of coal, large coal storage facilities or significant clouds of smoke at Auschwitz or other camps to burn "millions" of bodies as claimed.

6. No mention of homicidal gas chambers in any of the post war books written by De Gaulle, Churchill, or Eisenhower.

7. The Wannsee Conference notes that there were 4.5 million Jews under German control at the highest point yet 4.3 million Jewish claims have been made on the post war German government. Meanwhile, Yehuda Bauer states that the notion that the Wannsee conference discussed a "master plan" to kill the Jews is nothing but a "silly story".(3)

8. If Hitler etc wanted to kill all the Jews, why did they work with the German Zionist Federation to set up the Haavara Agreement to transfer Jews to Palestine? Why were there 3,000 babies delivered in Auschwitz without a single infant mortality?

In spite of the appeal of "GroupThink" & fear of being falsely slandered as a "holocaust denier", how could any informed individual believe the impossible & profit driven narrative that needs laws to protect it against the truth?

 

If that is true, why have we never heard or read about it? That is so amazing, 3000 babies born in an extermination camp!!!! And none of them died?
I had to check the internet and indeed found this unbelievable story:

 

Don't be 'sorry', it's just that I've 'dropped out' of it because I'm smart enough to know when to stop banging my head against a brick wall.

 

The fact that there were about 3,000 babies delivered at Auschwitz is not common knowledge because it conflicts with the standard holocaust narrative promulgated by MSM.

It is also not commonly known that Hitler did shake hands with Jessee Owens (1) because it conflicts with the victors' need to thoroughly demonize anyone related to the vanquished as entirely & irredeemably evil.

What we are left with is an over simplistic & false, Good vs Evil narrative in which the victors can do no wrong and the vanquished are incapable of anything but evil while any serious student of history knows that the truth is rarely so simple.

It is at least my personal belief that no single race, religious, national or ethnic group has a monopoly on either good or evil.



(1) "Jesse Owens"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Owens

EXCERPTS "In a 2009 interview, German journalist Siegfried Mischner claimed that Owens carried around a photograph in his wallet of the Führer shaking his hand before the latter left the stadium. Owens, who felt that the newspapers of the day reported "unfairly" on Hitler's attitude towards him, tried to get Mischner and his journalist colleagues to change the accepted version of history in the 1960s. Mischner claimed that Owens showed him the photograph and told him: "That was one of my most beautiful moments." Mischner added: "(the picture) was taken behind the honour stand and so not captured by the world's press. But I saw it, I saw him shaking Hitler's hand!" According to Mischner, "the predominating opinion in post-war Germany was that Hitler had ignored Owens, so we therefore decided not to report on the photo.

However, in 2014, Eric Brown, British fighter pilot and test pilot, the Fleet Air Arm's most decorated living pilot,[37] independently stated in a BBC documentary: "I actually witnessed Hitler shaking hands with Jesse Owens and congratulating him on what he had achieved."[38] Additionally, an article in The Baltimore Sun in August 1936 reported that Hitler sent Owens a commemorative inscribed cabinet photograph of himself.[39

In Germany, Owens had been allowed to travel with and stay in the same hotels as whites, at a time when African Americans in many parts of the United States had to stay in segregated hotels that accommodated only blacks"CONTINUED

 

Since that "brick wall" against which you are "banging your head" is comprised of irrefutable facts & mathematical realities, wouldn't it be more productive to simply accept the truth that you've been deceived into believing a false narrative & try to view the history of 20th century Europe more objectively?

If I were unable to contradict facts that challenged one of my core beliefs, I would at least look closely at why I really held that core belief.

 

I know, the segregation went on past the 60s. My husband and I experienced it in New York City in 1959, when we boarded a bus and happily sat down in the very back!!!

Here I found a great website on how the Americans "de-nazified" the German POWs....

German soldiers react to footage of concentration camps, 1945

Force confrontation: German soldiers react to footage of concentration camps, 1945.

The image shows the faces of German prisoners of war, captured by Americans, watching a film about a concentration camp. This forced confrontation brought Germans face-to-face with the worst works of the Third Reich. It must be really hard to go through what they did and look back knowing that everything that happened to them, all of their friends who were killed or maimed was in the name of something horrific, something totally repugnant to their own values.

Read more here:
https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/german-soldiers-forced-watch-footage-concentration-camps-1945/
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In the meantime we have heard from Faurrisson, David Cole, Ernst Zuendel, Leuchter, Mark Weber, Irving, Ursula Haverbeck, Butz, Graf, Julius Streicher, Hermann Goering, Gerd Honsik, Horst Mahler and many more that there was no systematic killing of Jews, no 6 million gassings.

We also know, and it was mentioned in this thread, that the Americans deliberately made films that portrayed a completely fraudulent, false picture of the holocaust.
Also certainly not shown was how the Americans starved 1.7 million German POWS to death on the Rhine Meadows AFTER the war.

A heartfelt Thank You to you, Grau, for standing up for the truth and putting your own life on the line to set the record straight.

 

Pre-supposing you've seen as much footage of the death camps as I have, I'm simply dumbfounded how you can assert they didn't exist. I don't know in what numbers the prisoners were executed and otherwise disposed of, only that there were plenty enough of them visible in those recordings that only a fool or an agenda-driven charlatan could possible deny the facts.

 

You seem to put rather a lot of time and energy into maintaining an illusion of providing facts and arguments and carpet bombing the interweb with weird and wonderful theories which, for some inexplicable reason, you maintain as being a core belief and then you invite others to batter down your wall of faith. Why? Do you seriously think anyone of intelligence takes this stuff on board and accepts it as reality! Faith in something is a very strong motivator and indeed in some circumstances an admirable quality, but ultimately its just faith; in your case it seems like just some delusional narrative of faith in a construct that has been battered into you through nurture or environment or illness even? Conspiracy theorists or in this case "holocaust denial" (same thing really) tend to divorce themselves from the real world and inhabit some paranoid space or artificial construct of the world and take on the mantle of a keyboard warrior venting spleens and huffing and puffing at the monitor and trying to drag others down one's own little rabbit hole of make believe and imagined wrongs....good luck with your quest....maybe its time see a medical professional?

 

Thank you but I don't think that I have said anything especially death defying. I'm simply asking questions while trying to keep an open mind. There's always more to learn.

The photo you posted is an especially moving one. Regrettably, neither Arthur "Butcher" Harris & his colleagues were unable to view equally grisly films of the remains of Dresden's populace nor Eisenhower willing to see images of his victims you mention.

No one doubts that at the end of the war the German work camps were in horrific condition ridden with piles of starved & typhus infected bodies as there was no way to resupply the camps since Allied carpet bombing had destroyed Germany's railway system and starvation & disease was rampant throughout Germany.
What is not widely known is that of the over 1,000 autopsies performed, not one autopsy showed that the victim had been "gassed".

WW2 was no different from any other war in that embittered victors get to fabricate the narrative and dole out humiliating vengeance.
The type of vengeance varies from war to war but after prodding by the Z.O.A., the WW2 Allies settled on a series of widely condemned show trials that lasted years and unlike genuine trials were not bound by "technical evidence" and did not require "proof of evidence".(1)
The Nuremberg trials, according to US Sen. Robert Taft: "...will be a blot on the American record which we shall long regret.” and was condemned by US Supreme Court Justice, Harian F. Stone was a: "sanctimonious fraud" and "...high grade lynching party in Nuremberg..."




(1) “The Tribunal shall not be bound by technical rules of evidence.... The Tribunal shall not require proof of facts of common knowledge but shall take judicial notice thereof.......”
- From the Charter of the International Military Tribunal

 

Apparently you have not read what I have asserted very closely.
Nowhere have I ever stated that the camps "...didn't exist." nor do I doubt that there were piles of bodies at the end of the war.
However, even mainstream historian Raul Hilberg admits that more people died in the camps from typhus, starvation or natural causes than were executed.
Additionally, not one of the over 1,000 autopsies indicated death by gassing nor has a single homicidal gas chamber ever been found of the hundreds that would be needed to exterminate "millions" of people.

You're right in saying that: "only a fool or an agenda-driven charlatan could possible deny the facts".
However, I've already listed 8 facts that make the SHN impossible and you cannot refute or deny one of them.

 

This is a debate forum in which people debate & discuss topics.
I've simply articulated and supported facts, not "faith", that make the standard holocaust narrative (SHN) impossible and no one has been able to refute one of the 8 facts I listed on my Post # 500 (page 25) and supported throughout this thread.

In keeping with most professionally indoctrinated & evasive holocaustians, you've chosen to fabricate slurs & silly pseudo psychological speculations about me rather than discuss the issue about which you obviously know very little.

Try to stay on topic & save your puerile pseudo psychological musings for the appropriate thread.

 

Oh lets not be coy there is no "topic" as you call it - its a figment of imagination or at least a miasma of warped reasoning and banal conjecture. So, since I conclude that this is a thread based entirely upon warped imagination and infantile fabrication then I'm of the feeling that this is exactly the right thread to post such musings .

You are perfectly correct I know absolutely nothing about the quantity or indeed quality of drivel posted and since its all in the mind of the beholder and I'm not a trained psycho-therapist then attempting any sort of connection to this netherworld would indeed be difficult. But as you quite rightly say....

....indeed, however devoid of reality they maybe in this case.....but please do continue with your delving into the abstract....its very funny....sad but funny!

 

But if they hadn't been in the camps they wouldn't have got effing typhus nor suffer starvation would they?? And as to your supposed 'over 1,000 autopsies', the riposte to that is how many others had been gassed and then thrown into massive holes in the ground straight away to clear out the ovens and gas chambers for the next lot of victims? Jesus ****ing wept - just go away ffs!

 

Civilians outside of the camps may have been a little less likely to get typhus etc but much more likely to be firebombed as were virtually all of Germany's towns, cities & even Medieval villages(1) since part of the Allied strategy was to bomb (aka "exterminate") civilians to demoralize the German military and "reduce the civilian workforce". It didn't have the desired effect & the Allies simply murdered millions of innocent refugees & civilians so that there were far more "piles of bodies" in Germany's firebombed cities & towns than in the camps.

The riposte to your "maybe the gassed bodies are somewhere else" is the absence of even one homicidal gas chamber in any of the camps. In addition to air-tight, steel doors etc, homicidal gas chambers require extensive & complex ventilation systems to introduce the gas and exhaust it after gassing. Nothing like that was found in any of the camps nor have any corresponding blueprints, photos or drawings been found.
Zyklon-B is not activated by pouring it on the floor. It's activated by forced, warm air.

Re: "...massive holes in the ground ..." No mass graves have been found at any of the claimed locations that are commensurate with with the "6 million" myth.
$100,000 is yours if you can find one:

"THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX"
http://www.nafcash.com/

EXCERPT "It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II - hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of corpses were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive allegations to the contrary, the truth is; the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the - one hundred - graves / cremation pits that are alleged to have been scientifically proven to currently exist at these sites, in which verified human remains have been tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology; contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.

Those who believe they can refute any statement of fact articulated on this web page are invited to accept

THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX CHALLENGE

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For proving - just 1 / 1,000 of 1% - of the criminally fraudulent buried remains allegations" CONTINUED
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Re: "...Jesus ****ing wept - just go away ffs!"

I'm simply responding to your questions with verifiable facts. If you don't like these inconvenient facts, just continue believing convenient fictions. I don't care.




(1) "Winston Churchill: the Imperial Monster"
https://www.counterpunch.org/2015/01/28/winston-churchill-the-imperial-monster/

EXCERPT "Meanwhile, Prime Minister Churchill had ordered the saturation bombing of Dresden, where, on February 13 1945, more than 500,000 German civilians and refugees, mostly women and children, were slaughtered in one day by the British Royal Air Force (RAF) and the United States Army Air Force (USAAF), who dropped over 700,000 phosphorus bombs on the city.

Prime Minister Churchill had said earlier:

“I do not want suggestions as to how we can disable the economy and the machinery of war, what I want are suggestions as to how we can roast the German refugees on their escape from Breslau.”CONTINUED

 

German Culture?


Between the summer of 1943 and December 1944 at least 14,600 Jews, including 2,750 children and minors were transported to the Bergen-Belsen "holding" or exchange camp. 160 Inmates were made to work, many of them in the "shoe commando" which salvaged usable pieces of leather from shoes collected and brought to the camp from all over Germany and occupied Europe. Around 2,560 Jewish prisoners were released from Bergen-Belsen and allowed to leave Germany.

In March 1944, part of the camp was redesignated as an Erholungslager ("recovery camp"),[11] where prisoners too sick to work were brought from other concentration camps. They were in Belsen supposedly to recover and then return to their original camps and resume work, but many of them died in Belsen of disease, starvation, exhaustion and lack of medical attention.

In August 1944, a new section was created and this became the so-called "women's camp". By November 1944 this camp received around 9,000 women and young girls. Most of those who were able to work stayed only for a short while and were then sent on to other concentration camps or slave-labour camps. The first women interned there were Poles, arrested after the failed Warsaw Uprising. Others were Jewish women from Poland or Hungary, transferred from Auschwitz.[ Among those who never left Bergen-Belsen were Margot and Anne Frank, who died there in February or March 1945.

Read here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergen-Belsen_concentration_camp
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What about the extermination of all Jews in Europe?
Why all this transporting around and exchanging?
What became of the Nazis's "Final Solution" or "Endloesung"?
Do I detect a gradual backpedaling? For instance only 1 000 000 died in Auschwitz. Or as I just read here for the first time that Belsen sported a recovery camp (Erholungsheim).
To me this looks like the Germans tried to save Jewish life as much as was possible under the war conditions. I don't get the feeling the Jews were killed deliberately and carelessly.
The Critics forget that German soldiers also needed to be fed and clothed and supplied with weapons. The wounded needed to be treated. Back home the people had to deal with repairing, relocating, removing rubble from constant bombardments. This caused severe food shortages and transportation havoc. No imports from other countries was possible anymore. I read the Germans cultivated huge fields of dandelions in the Ukraine to make artificial rubber.
Everything was rationed!! From old make new. Old and torn clothing was collected as well as any shreds of metal.
Sure, the Germans should have left the Jews alone and they would have survived! BUT... how could they risked that after the Jews had already betrayed them in the First WW? (Read Benjamin Freedman!) And then the "Jews of the World" had declared an all out war against German exports. In New York and elsewhere: "Don't buy German goods!"
How could the Germans trust such people in their midst? THAT the Nazi critics completely ignore... yet, the Americans themselves locked their Japanese population up into camps for no real reason. The US suffered no hardship during WWII, in the contrary, they wanted and wished for war!

 

Another blatant non sequitur. I'm not going to play your word games so don't waste any more of your time on me. You've moved the goalposts so many times the goal is on another pitch.