TRUMP SHARES OLD VIDEOS OF SCHUMER, HILLARY, OBAMA SUPPORTING BORDER SECURITY

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  1. dairyair

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    We don't need a mostly ineffective wall. We can accomplish the goals with good security.
    Afterall, most illegals are not coming through unprotected part of the border.
    In fact, most of the border is already protected, is it not? Or all, that needs to be walled. But for extreme hard crossing points?
     
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    Of course. But the problem is the governments throughout much of Latin America. Great people but lousy, corrupt governments. I would seriously advocate an 'intervention' in order that these people needn't leave their families and cultures in order to live decent lives.

    I returned from that region just three days ago and my heart goes out to these people, but the root of the problem lies in their own countries and that has to be resolved. If that happens then no walls will be necessary, just as it is with Canada.
     
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    I agree, I hate our gov't getting involve in other countries, but in the case with all those fleeing, we should be looking to help the people in their own country set up a better gov't for the people.
    It's a messy business. Doing it like we did in Iraq is wrong, IMO.
     
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    The strings attached to that number was the problem. Negotiations 101 - dangle their desired carrot while piling up the plate with all the stuff they don't want to eat. Seems the cook couldn't pull that one off, but as i recall the tv fiasco its not surprising.

    Well that chaos sure looks orderly to me. But trump's staunch defense of the border from the invading hordes was successful. Nary a woman or child got thru from the caravan. Gotta admit tho, it was a close one. Yet another trumpian bigly win.
     
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    I agree. Have you considered the major causes of the criminal dysfunction of those countries, whose geography place them all along the drug smuggling land routes? An intervention on multiple levels would be a good thing for everyone, imho, but failing unilateral US action, I don't see a coalition of the willing for such an undertaking.
     
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    the fact is the "Great wall of Trump" would do nothing - most illegals come here legally and overstay their welcome, they come by air or car

    totally agree, they should not be decided on political grounds and Trump should not shut down the government cause he doesn't get his wall
     
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    Please feel free to not communicate with me. I was not posting to you. The far left are common on forums, I wont even miss you.
     
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    To highlight the lax security of the democrat party.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sorry I don't fit your misperception of me nor your misconception of the far left.

    OTOH, there seems to be a lot more radical racist right wing fascist fringers and white nationalist knuckleheads running around on the forums than the far left loons. And they sure do love a good mental contortion to 'splain themselves or attack the "other". They may be small muscles but they get a good work out, its seems.
     
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    Sounds like a recipe for success.
     
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    There are great people there, and the holiday season really highlights it.

    But the govt blows, and culture needs to realize it.
     
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    IMO, those on the left need to take it back to stalingrad.
     
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    Amazing how entrenched simple word associations are imprinted on members of one's tribe. Its almost like they don't have to think about what they are actually saying, safe in the knowledge that it emotionally resonates with them so why bother. just guessin as to motivation but the behavior appears to be universal.
     
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    Ok, it's settled, you can officially ignore me and I will return the favor by not challenging your wildly misguided, assumptions. Bye now!
     
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    We see a lot of leftwing racism here

    Liberals particularly hate conservative white males
     
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    Apparently that’s not enough. Maybe used missed the news of caravans attempting entry, tossing rocks, etc
     
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    Full Soviet Single Payer in exchange for border security.

    No chance
     
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    What we saw with the caravan occurred at a point of entry. Whether we build a drastically more expensive wall than our current one or not, the point of entry status does not change. It's a good idea in theory, but realistically a new wall does not make illegal entry impossible, but besides that, your point neglects to acknowledge that most illegal immigrants did not enter illegally, but came to the country legally, and simply overstayed their visas. All one needs to get into the country is a tourist visa, which remains easily accessible for economic reasons.

    As for drug trafficking, I did not say that trafficking was low, what I said was that less than 10% of the drugs smuggled into the country illegally come into the country by land. They usually come over by sea or by air, some cartels have even been discovered to be using their own submarines to smuggle drugs into the county. They are running a multi-billion dollar industry, the idea that their illegal marketing would be foiled by a mere wall goes against basic statistics and common sense on the matter.
     
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    Then I'll just say this: I'm in support of a hard and legitimate and possible approach to this problem. We already tried the legalization route in the Simpson bill of 1985, and we were told "it would never happen again" Yelp, here we are.(I wasn't born in 85 of course, but you know studying history and stuff like that.)

    The reason I'm a "far-right"(I hate this term, but it's better than extremist) nationalist on this, is that I feel the US is being taken for granted. Also, the costs of illegal immigration always have estimates, but these estimates keep going up no matter who does them. Coincidence? Probably not.

    To me, de jure citizenship is being abused, and I'd love to retroactively apply changes. People who want to make a living here should be citizens, but there's a difference between a family that has laid down roots here, and a family that literally popped across the border in the span of a few months.

    I want de jure citizenship to reward loyal aspiring citizens. Not "come here, pop a baby and tada you're a citizen." To me, by having more strigent rules for citizenship, we'll have far less of the MS-13/illegal crimes in our country. And as far as the "they do the jobs we don't want to do?" Yeah, I disagree. It's more like towns/farms are sometimes too far. Vastly improving inner city commerce/travel, would fill up job fillings like crazy. Now there's a domestic investment we can all agree on.
     
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    I think the Dems should do a similar stunt and replay the 100s of videos in which Trump told voters Mexico would pay for the wall. Or the 1000s of other videos in which Trump is either flip flopping or blatantly lying.

    As to the wall, I have created a thread on this: Let Trump build it. If it doesn't work, which is likely, he'll pay the political price. With health care now on the chopping block, the Dems have bigger fish to fry.
     
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    Then the focus can be more than on one front. The argument that the border should not be properly secured because people entering via other ways is not a convincing one. These 'other ways' should be looked at also.

    However those entering via air, for example, would suggest that these people are better off educationally than those walking across a desert.
     
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    The leftists have been working hard to divide the culture for many years now, going back to the Cold War. Black against White, Men Against Women, Leftists against the Church (except the Black Churches where they recruit) Rich against Poor, Young against old, Gay against Straight, and so on.

    In order to defeat a country without a shot being fired you must first defeat their culture and they're doing that in a number of ways. Tearing down statues is just a small part of it. They'll also attack the Constitution, ban reading material and free speech.. And of course the issues are to be avoided when 'orange hair' can serve as a substitute for serious debate..

    Americans are being pitted against each other in a war the left created. Most of these foot soldiers, the 'useful idiots' Lenin referred to, have no idea how they're being used. They don't have the reasoning capacity to understand that 'orange hair' iis really not lending itself to intelligent conversation. It's a signal that your dealing with a rather dull witted person.

    But intelligent conversation is not their goal anyway. They lose in those situations so we'll likely have it pointed out more frequently that President Trump has orange hair..
     
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    Rather than concern yourself with Donald Trump, what do you think the best method would be of securing the southern border. What would be best for the country?
     
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    Sweet Jesus...

    What is it with Wingers and not being able to comprehend basic English.

    Border Security is not Trumps Border wall.

    I support Border security

    I support more Border patrol agents
    I support more surveillance equipment
    I support more Immigration Judges, courtrooms and staff
    I support more detention centers for families


    I do not support any monies going to Donald Trump's wishing wall.
     
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    The GOP's problem is that it has never defined what "border security" or "Securing the southern border" means exactly.

    you can not fix what you can not even define as broken...
     
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