Indyref2 should not be decided by the UK's propaganda unit

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  1. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    With all due respect to all concerned here anyone who trusts anything he hears EXCLUSIVELY on social media is a bloody idjit.
     
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  2. LangleyMan

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    Stop speading BS on the forum and you might get a better response.
     
  3. Blaster3

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    ^^^ worth a bump to the top, again & again...
     
  4. Striped Horse

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    You weren't exposing any lies you fool. You're blurting out group-think because you can't think for yourself.

    That's why when challenged to provide any hard facts or incontrovertible evidence that the British governments Punch & Judy show narrative about Salisbury... you choose not to and revert to your schoolboy name calling.
     
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  5. Montegriffo

    Montegriffo Well-Known Member

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    By groupthink I assume you mean the concensus of opinion from nearly everyone who has looked into the evidence.
    Perhaps you can explain the photographs of known Russian agents in the vaccinity on the day of the attack?
    And don't bother with the tired old nonsense about wanting to visit the ''world famous Cathederal spire'' no one is buying that bovine excrement.
     
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  6. Striped Horse

    Striped Horse Well-Known Member

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    No, I don't mean that at all.

    What I mean is you are a captive of limited propagandistic group-think portrayed by the government (you believe what politician's say for gawd's sake - something even kids are wary of) and likewise believe in the British media - widely considered to be one of the most corrupted and least trustworthy professions in the country today.

    These you take to at face value to be reliable.

    Despite my challenge to you earlier, you can't even muster a single factual argument or incontrovertible evidence to counter the officially stated fact presented by Porton Down's chief, Gary Aitkenhead, that they are unable to establish that the nerve agent used in Salisbury was made in Russia.

    The fact is we know that military grade Novichok can be made in any one of dozens of nations around the world, including NATO nations and not just Russia as Theresa May attempted to impute.

    We also know that military grade Novichok is regarded as the deadliest nerve agent in the world and yet three people allegedly poisoned with this pure grade nerve agent all survived and recovered with no lasting medical effects (unheard of for the small number of previous exposures to Novichok).

    Then we have the absurdly improbable story regularly regurgitated (but miraculously later changed when required by the changing narrative) by the government / media of some alleged Russian assassin/s chucking away the bottle/container of Novichok "gel" they had allegedly "smeared" on the Skripal's door that was.... months later picked up by the boyfriend of Dawn Sturgess that he stated, for a fact, was in a perfume bottle that was boxed and sealed in an unopened and pristine cellophane wrapper in a liquid aerosol form.

    Even a drunk medieval alchemist would stay well clear of this loony puffery.

    The fact is that there are more holes in this ever changing story than all the cheese in Switzerland (see this blog post HERE by a local Salisbury resident who, like me, regards this whole story as a poor and hastily cobbled together fabrication (imo to eclipse something altogether different that has to do with the shady shenanigans of Christopher Steele, Pablo MIller and mates HERE).
     
  7. Montegriffo

    Montegriffo Well-Known Member

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    Meh, Russian trolls gotta troll for Russia.
    /shrug
     
  8. Striped Horse

    Striped Horse Well-Known Member

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    Meh, brain dead gotta artlessly repeat US group-think bollocks
    /shrug
     
  9. Striped Horse

    Striped Horse Well-Known Member

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    From former UK Ambassador, Craig Murray:

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/arch...-initiative-and-the-institute-for-statecraft/
     
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  10. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You mean you were here Trolling :) :)
     
  11. Montegriffo

    Montegriffo Well-Known Member

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    Hey, at least I'm prepared to admit it and nobody is paying me. :wink:
     
  12. bigfella

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    For those keeping score at home, Murray is Stripey's 'go to' guy on the attempt to kill the Skripals. Murray has essentially operated as a conduit for Russian propaganda, which might explain why he didn't feel the need to actually look at the photos of the two Russian agents arriving in the UK before declaring them fake. Oops!

    He is as credible as any Russian government spokesman....or indeed Stripey himself.
     
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  13. Tim15856

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    So, we have the British government trying to affect US elections? Time to pull Steel in for questioning and see if there was any DNC, British collusion.
     
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    Does that unit take in volunteers from down under? Seems we have a couple Aussie trolls here.
     
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  15. Montegriffo

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    Sure, Britain has an interest in the outcome of US elections and vice-versa. Trump himself flew over a few days before the referendum to advize us how to vote and Obama made the case for the opposite side.
    Is this the same as hundreds of paid trolls from an enemy state sewing division and spreading lies about nerve agent attacks? I don't think so, do you? Sure Steel produced a dodgy dossier but if the truth ever comes out will you really be surprised to find out his paycheck came from Moscow not from Soros?
     
  16. bigfella

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    How dare I point out that Stripey's source has a history of regurgitating Russian propaganda and got caught out doing so. What a terrible thing for me to do. Clearly I should just believe a source that claimed the British government staged part of the Skripal case because people were watching the Winter Olympics and seeing how 'attractive' the Russian people were (Murray actually said this).

    Obviously you would believe this, so only a troll or a government agent would even question it. Right.
     
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  17. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't think anyone is paying Striped Horse either. Just because someone says things that goes against the grain of ingested Establishment propaganda and necessary illusions - does not make them a paid operative of the dark side :)
     
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  18. Tim15856

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    I wasn't referring to you Sir. In particular an Aussie who hasn't commented yet in this thread.
     
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  19. bigfella

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    If you say so.
     
  20. bigfella

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    Has it occurred to you that Stripey is being paid....to discredit the arguments he claims to be supporting? If I wanted to discredit those positions I would hire someone to post precisely the sort of stuff he posts.
     
  21. Montegriffo

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    Let me guess, 911 truther desperate to discredit any government/establishment institution in order to give his own conspiracy theories more weight?
    Forgive me if I'm wrong, I just can't be arsed to go through your posts to see if I've assumed incorrectly.
     
  22. Giftedone

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    1) Whether someone is a paid troll or not makes zero difference. It is ad hom fallacy to base your opinion of the message on the messenger and I don't do fallacy. Even if someone was a paid troll - that does not make the message false. Logic 100

    2) I have read many of Stripes posts and the content is often solid. It is not that I necessarily agree with everything he says .. but his content is way better than many and on a higher level in many cases.

    3) Has it occurred to you that you live in a propaganda and "necessary illusion" bubble ? That perhaps the angst you feel when you come across information that conflicts with your perspective is due to sophisticated mind control techniques ?

    Odds are that you do not know what sophisticated mind control techniques are so don't go into the "Outer Limit's zone. All Gov'ts engage in this to some degree.. our Gov't in particular. This is perhaps better described as "population control" but it is mind control - never the less.

    "Necessary Illusions" -

    We are good "the other is bad" (with little grey in the middle) - Iran is the #1 state sponsor of terror and "The Russians are coming" The Russians are meddling in our electoral process.

    The Gov't has your best interests in mind - those that do not are a few bad apples. We have a fair and free media - that is not a propaganda arm of the State and our electoral process is sound.

    The above is demonstrable nonsense.

    These are just a few examples - and this should be discussed further if you are not already aware - and if you are not already aware - you are definitely "under the influence".

    If you think - if not you - that the masses are not under mind control - how is it that in a nation founded on the principle that "essential liberty is above the legitimate authority of Gov't" - where the motto of the revolutionaries was "Give me Liberty or Give me Death" - where Founding Father Franklin stated "those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security" .. that it is now our "Patriotic Duty" to give up essential liberty ?

    How is it that the people accept this as valid. What bizarre and convoluted thought process does one have to go through to get to this place ?
    The people are now on their knees and cowering in corners in abject fear - "begging" to give up essential liberty for temporary security - over a risk of harm that is 400 times less than the risk of harm from "walking". The odds of getting hit by a meteorite are double the risk of being harmed by terrorism in this nation.

    What happened to "Give me Liberty or Give me Death" "Land of the Free - home of the Brave " ?

    A few Islamist Jihadists (Al Qaeda) flew a few planes into a building 18 years ago. On the basis of fear of this external threat - essential liberty has been usurped.

    This is the oldest trick in the book ... one the founders knew well which is why they put safeguards in place.. using fear of an external threat to get the people to trade liberty for security.

    Clearly the powers at be do not see Al Qaeda as much of a threat - (which means they are lying their faces off). 10 years after 911 we were happily arming and supporting Al Qaeda in Syria - on the same side as Al Qaeda in conflict Syria and on the same side as Al Qaeda in Yemen.

    In 2013 it became legal for our intelligence agencies to create and disseminate propaganda on US citizens. The budget (including the dark budget) is roughly 130 Billion/year - most of which goes to defense contractors. This is double the entire federal spend of Mexico - a nation that is 11th in the world in terms of purchasing power.

    Russian Propaganda ? What a joke. Have you looked at what they were calling "propaganda" ? I looked at some of these facebook ads.. One for example was a pic of Bernie Sanders with the caption "The Clinton foundation is a problem". This is completely true .. Bernie said exactly that.

    Since when is "The Truth" - Propaganda ? Please explain to me how the voter knowing "The Truth" about what Hillary/DNC were doing to Bernie Sanders ( actual meddling with our electoral process) harmed our electoral process - and what kind of mind bending nonsense someone would have to engage in to believe this ?

    I you want "propaganda" I can give you numerous examples of big time lies, false narrative, "sins of omission", misleading and/or direct deception on behalf of our intelligence agency elite, elite political and bureaucratic pundits and the MSM.

    Focusing on Russia is like focusing on a rain drop in the midst of a hurricane.

    The major threat to our individual liberties and our democratic process is not external but internal. The threat comes not from Russia, China and so on, but from our Establishment bureaucrats, politicians and the big money interests that rule the agenda. Full Stop.

    Sorry to ramble on but, I am writing a book use some of the material I post on this forum :)
     
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    You are forgiven. Thanks for asking. Engaging in demonization of the messenger is one technique to avoid thoughts that conflict with ingested propaganda. I get into this a bit more in post 47.
     
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    This might be the most ironic post in internet history.
     
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    This is exactly what a paid British troll would say...

    Destroyed his credibility with whom? Paid American and British trolls? Idiots? Liars?

    So what?

    You're a regular James Bond... LOL
     
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