Robert Mueller is pressing to interview Trump after President's written answers

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  1. Ericb760

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    Except when Lerner did it.
     
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    Then perhaps you can provide a link to this released data?
     
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    "Any matters that arise from the investigation".
     
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    I would like to think that is true, but when Comey says he couldn't get away with what he did "sending a couple guys over" and they told Flynn you don't need a lawyer because this isn't a formal interview, what are we to think of the FBI? Flynn did exactly what you want of Trump. Flynn cooperated and the agents said he did not lie. The result was he lost everything. That seems to be the cost of "clearing your name."
     
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    You have a point. I chafe at the ability of government employees, when charged with misfeasance, to refuse to testify or cooperate with investigations be they congressional or executive law enforcement.

    I do however understand the fundemental importance of government's prohibition from forcing confessions or testimony against one's interest. It's fundemental!

    The above said I think that some mechanism should be codified into law that compels testimony from government employees concerning their employment actions but disallows the use of that testimony in a criminal case.
     
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    It seems to be catching one heII of a lot of witches.....even looks to be about to catch the wicked witch himself.
     
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    That's the nature of witch hunts, they are never empty handed, the witches are apprehended, burned at the stake, sent to Gulag... The mob cheers the number of witches caught.
     
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    Hmm, how many innocent targets of an illegal witch hunt and fishing expedition by a dirty cop have you observed during your short comfortable suburban life and how can you possibly know how innocent people behave under the circumstances?

    PS for the record, every single prisoner of Gulag signed a confession... just like Flynn.
     
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    Yes they were charged after working for for trump for crimes committed before they worked for trump which proves this is about getting Trump. Just one of many examples.

    "Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chair, was indicted on a total of 25 different counts by Mueller’s team, related mainly to his past work for Ukrainian politicians and his finances"
    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/mueller-indictments-grand-jury
     
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    I’m growing tired of Trump’s manure, and his TETRIS economy.

    November’s deficit, over $200 billion, WTF!
     
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    perjury trap is a form of prosecutorial misconduct in which a prosecutor calls a witness to testify, typically before a grand jury, with the intent of coercing the witness into perjury (intentional deceit under oath).
    Perjury trap - Wikipedia
     
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    A second chance? :roflol:
     
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    Purjury trap in this case is a right wing meme promoted by Trump and his allies in the right wing noise machine.

    Since they can't refute the emerging evidence, the Trump strategy has always been to try and discredit the investigation and cause doubt about the intregrity of the Justice Department and the FBI, not to mention the Special Prosecutor.

    They have been doing that for two years now. At this point, the only people buying it are Trump's most ardent supporters who parrot it relentlessly without consideration of the facts.

    Nor does this crowd acknowledge that not one of their insinuations has ever grown legs. And they don't want to admit that since the investigations have begun, the publicly available evidence has grown considerably, and the investigators have not been wrong.

    Whether Trump will be impeached and removed is a political decision that no one knows that answer to yet.

    But at this point, it's pretty clear that Trump and his team (and some in the GOP) were involved in a whole catalog of sloppily managed and highly questionable activities. From paying off and buying and killing stories to influence the election, to money laundering, to grift and graft, and coordinating and conspiracy to collude with Russian agents.

    The question is no longer did these things happen. It's pretty obvious that we're still nibbling around the edges of that (at least in the public domain).

    It's pretty obvious by now that they did.

    The questions that remain are is enough hard evidence going to emerge (which seems VERY likely), and are we going to do anything about it when it does.
     
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    We see Russians because there are Russians. One of their spies just pleaded guilty and has a cooperation agreement. She many not drop a dime on Trump but folks are sure nervous in the board room at the NRA.
     
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    Not one of the insinuations from the investigations has grown legs either.(Except, perhaps this Butina thing with Erickson. Let's see what that digs up.) I note Rosenstein's statement that no American was charged in relation to the hacking indictments, or the facebook ads by the Russians.

    Also, Manafort's crimes for now remain separate to him. We don't have any confirmation of Trump/GOP money laundering as of yet. The closest thing to Trump, the buying off/killing stories of him sleeping with porn stars through illicit payments.

    And no I don't think there exists the political capital to impeach him.
     
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    A long winded way of obfuscation from the fact that Muellers last hope is a perjury trap to find Trump guilty of a process crime.
     
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    Actually I caught him telling the truth once, but then he lied his way out of it.
     
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    None of that is remotely true.

    In fact, we know a lot more about the various nefarious activities of the Trump campaign and the Trump Administration. A lot more. And, it's also obvious that we're going to learn a whole lot more.

    And I see you're trying to move the goalposts, too.

    No American has been charged in connection with the Russian hacking. That isn't noteworthy, since the Russians efforts began well before Trump became a candidate, and were run by the Russians. Your attempt to imply otherwise doesn't hold water.

    We are busy now finding out whether such coordination did take place in the late summer and fall of 2016, when the volume of Russians generated fake news reached its peak.

    It is still going on, and right wingers and Trumpsters are still parroting Russian propaganda just as they have for the past five years. The Russians media campaign fully penetrated the American right wing noise machine and the infection was spread by useful idiots through social media. We saw that here on this forum on an almost constant basis.

    The ads were irrelevant. But right wingers need to keep pointing at them as though they were the entire campaign. It's a deliberate distraction and an attempt to ignore the elephant (or the Russian) in the room.

    And the Trump Administration steadfastly REFUSED to support any measures to improve election security or stem the tide of covert attempts to poison the Ameican political discourse by an attacking power.

    Indeed, the Trump Administration's response to the Russian cyber war against the United States is to do nothing and lay prone to attack. Only in the month or two immediately before the mid term did anyone in Trump world do much more than pay lip service to what is going on.

    Buying off and killing stories a week or two before the election are campaign crimes.

    So is money laundering. I hope that you're not blind or naïve enough to continue to peddle the obviously bogus notion that the Trumps were not involved in money laundering (even though the entire Trump Organization has supported itself off of money laundering for the better part of two decades), or that the Russians didn't try and inject cash into the NRA, or fund Trump campaign activities like those of Cambridge Analytica (and no, you haven't heard the last of that by a long shot, even though Mercer and the Russians are trying to destroy the evidence).

    You Trumpsters (and yes, you are a Trumpster), are reduced to the "nobody's gone to jail so far, so there's nothing" argument, which is the essence of your post.'

    It's a very very weak argument.
     
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    Mueller has a virtual smorgasboard to choose from.

    Trump is the most openly corrupt individual to ever run for national poltical office in US history.

    And no one doubts that Trump will commit what you try and dismiss as a "process crime". (I'm sure you were yelling right out of the other side of your mouth when Clinton faced the prospect of testimony).

    It is now pretty obvious that Trump will have to testify to the Special Prosector and/or. a Grand Jury.

    The man is a narcisstic sociopath and a pathological liar. He also does not know when to shut up, and always has to try and have the last word.

    He'll do himself in on the stand, and everyone knows it.

    Which doesn't mean that the mountain of evidence isn't there or that it isn't growing.
     
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    And many criminals need to take it ;).

    Cheers.
     
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    He is not above the law......time will be cruel.
     
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    Clinton was impeached over a lie about a blow job, not white water.
     
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