"Who's gonna pay for Medicare for all?" is either stupid or disingenuous

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  1. AFM

    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Then you can afford insurance and medical care.
     
  2. AFM

    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course it should be a concern. You should be concerned enough to buy a low mandate catastrophic coverage policy. Unfortunately ObamaCare has done away with that option. Thanks Obama.
     
  3. rahl

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    That you can never support a thing you say? Happy to help.
     
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    I presented the information. Read it.

    Already have.
     
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    Good
     
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    The government says firearms are a right. They control them. The price has not skyrocketed.
     
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    I’ve provided the support references. Read them as you suggested above.
     
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    Demand has skyrocketed each time government threatens more control.
     
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    squidward Well-Known Member

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    I see, you have no ability to defend what you've posted in an educated manner.

    What's infant mortality?
    Where in your study is the causal relationship between life expectancy and single payer established?
     
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    No you haven’t. You said to go read some book by some guy. Your argument has been directly refuted by the data, which actually HAS been provided.
     
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    Because gun nuts are stupid. I used to work in the industry. There was never any danger, at all, that they were coming for anyone’s guns. But morons went out and bought am,o by the pallet, and bought every AR off the shelves.
     
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    You were given a peer reviewed paper showing your position is wrong. Sorry.

    Www.google.com
    Strawman
     
  13. squidward

    squidward Well-Known Member

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    You have luxuries and have wasted untold amounts of money on luxuries in your lifetime.
    Should have saved for your healthcare
     
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    You cant point out the portions that establish your claim.
    Sad

    And you still cant define infant mortality despite throwing the term around
     
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    I’m sorry you refuse to read the evidence you requested. But that doesn’t make it go away.
     
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    You posted it to support your claim.
    You should be able to discuss the paper in an educated manner.
    At minimum you should be able to point out the part that establishes causation between life expectancy and single payer, your defense for the superiority of single payer

    The fact that you refuse and have documented such multiple times in a public forum, delights me to no end
     
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    COBRA.
     
  18. Observing

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    I have healthcare, I have said that over and over in this thread. Being retired and a vet all my healthcare needs are met. In Mass we also have Rommneycare for those others that need it.

    I am fortunate beyond belief, god has blessed me to be born in this country and with the wherewithall to thrive here.
     
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    No, you have the right to buy and own in a free market. Yet, when the government tries to ban a weapon or control its market , the price goes up.
     
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    Cobra is ridiculously expensive. I guess you really didn't want to bring anything to the discussion other than things are fine the way they are.
     
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    Not true. Many have been denied.
    One of the reasons for that ACA overhaul.
     
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    No, it’s not - it’s one-in-seven of 16.2% of the population = 7,422,629 people

    Yes, your 7% comes from Kaiser - but you’re not paying attention to methodology:

    "Respondents may report having more than one type of coverage; however, individuals are sorted into only one category of insurance coverage."

    Kaiser’s source data is from the Census Bureau, which reports that 16.2% of the population has private non-employer insurance.

    How does this become 7%?

    Because Kaiser sorts people into one category only, even if they have more than one type (at the same time or in the course of the year). In other words, the rest of the 16.2% have been assigned to another category.

    This is a partizan opinion piece in support of the proposed AHCA.
    What’s your point? As I said, 4 companies over a 3-year period.

    From the actual report (rather the the WSJ)

    On average, the four companies denied coverage to one out of every seven applicants based on a pre-existing condition.

    The actual number of coverage denials is likely to be significantly higher than reported by the companies.

    The companies do not report as denials individuals who are discouraged from applying for coverage by insurance agents because of their pre-existing conditions.

    A document from one company states that one-third of its applicants do not obtain coverage because of pre-existing conditions.

    This estimate may reflect the actual denial rate when individuals who are discouraged from submitting formal applications are taken into account.

    In addition, one of the four companies provided information to the Committee from only one of its subsidiaries, which represents only 32% of the company’s individual health insurance business.
     
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    The average American wastes tons of money on luxuries throughout the course of their lifetime.

    I'm not responsible for their care because they chose to waste their money.

    Running up hundreds of thousands in debt and additional interstate payments cuz they just needed that McMansion, complete with all wheel drive Volvo SUV in the drive, and vacations in Cancun is not my problem.
    Its theirs!
     
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    Ah, so you don't understand socialism, or social democracy!
     
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    Canadians are not fleeing anywhere. Nor are they doing so in droves - again, a grand total of about 1.1% of patients come to the US.

    Wait times are not the sole arbiter of whether a system is good or bad.
     

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