Trump Sure Sucks as a Dealmaker

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  1. AtsamattaU

    AtsamattaU Well-Known Member

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    This blowhard can’t even keep the government running. People jumping ship left and right. And he still doesn’t get it.

    Wake up dumbass. A border wall is a FAILURE of an idea. Just like you are a FAILURE as a president.
     
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    Esperance Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, Schumer is a blowhard.

    56% of the voting public want a wall.

    Trump sees the numbers and is acting accordingly.
     
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    Well, since it is a well-known fact that "The Art of the Deal" was completely ghostwritten, who would have ever thought that Trump was a "deal maker" in the first place?
     
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    You got that backwards. 56% don't want it.
    How so?
     
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  5. AtsamattaU

    AtsamattaU Well-Known Member

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    That moron lives in a vacuum with his “poorly educated” acolytes. The only reason I do want a wall built is so graffiti artists can decorate it with images of Trump being dickslapped for generations to come.
     
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    He's keeping the old world 20th century asinine idea of what border security is alive for his red meat loving base.
     
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    Esperance Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nope... I've seen the internal numbers with a confidence interval at 97%.

    The Media is depending on a highly skewed Quinnipiac poll.

    Remember, Quinnipiac projected that both Nelson and Gillum were up by 7 points in Florida on November 5th while my internal polling showed both were behind by 2 points. The results speak for themselves.

    You can go back and look at what I posted right here on this forum during those races if you don't believe me. I even posted an internal memo:

    "This survey included over 2,000 live interviews with a projected universe reflecting a historic midterm election turnout among Democratic and women voters. In short, this assumes a challenging electoral scenario for Republicans, but one we are presently rising above. We currently show Ron with a ( ) point lead. Ron’s lead is larger at +7% among voter that have already cast vote by mail ballots."
     
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    What an embarrassment!
     
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    Esperance Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Only if You HATE the USA.
     
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    You don't have a majoritarian system of government. When legislature and executive cannot agree no appropriations are passed. I assume you knew this when you signed up.

    Shut-downs are always the fault of the Presidency. The legislature is representative of the people, the President should not obstruct.

    Except of course when the Democrats have the Presidency, then it's the legislature holding up appropriations.
     
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    A wall, a fence, whatever it is I don't care. Get it done. It's less than 15% of the US Budget. That's what Schumer's crying about. 15% of the US Budget.
     
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    What a disgusting and juvenile mentality.
     
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    Then you should easily be able to post proof. (note the word 'proof')
     
  14. AtsamattaU

    AtsamattaU Well-Known Member

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    The example set by the president? I know, right?
     
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    AtsamattaU Well-Known Member

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    It’s a case by case basis. When the legislature passes a spending bill and the president says he won’t sign it, that’s obstruction by the president. When the legislature can’t pass a spending g bill because some jackass is filibustering, that’s obstruction by a legislator.

    In this case, the House should’ve passed the Senate’s approps bill and called Trump’s bluff. Instead, Paul Ryan proved he has no backbone. He will go down in history as one of the biggest disappointments in the history of U.S. politics.
     
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    He got mexico and canada to re-write nafta, got nato allies to pay up after decades of US paying all the bills, recently convinced senate to pass criminal justice reform and worked well to negotiate tax bill, he sort of tamed NK leader. many other examples.

    He’s quite good when compared with former presidents.

    What people fail to understand is that energy and persistence has a way of moving the needle. Playing nice, being passive, low energy doesn’t work as-well. People are set in their ways, they get used to status quo, a support/dependance system is created around things that have been the norm for decades. It takes a combative, high energy, couragous effort to change things, people are resistant to change.

    When trump started attacking nato allies for not paying, they whined, cried and criticized them but they started paying up. Would obama moved anything with his diplomatic, soft approach?

    Kim of NK raped obama. Trump’s tough rhetoric turned kim into a lamb.

    Nafta? Canada and mexico criticized trump, then did what he wanted

    China? You watch... it will be painful in short run but china will make concessions..

    I anticipate Iran will clean their act too.. playing nice with them doesn’t work.
     
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    What do you mean? The $5B isn’t anywhere close to 15% of the total budget. More like 0.15%. I still think the wall is a dumb idea and shouldn’t be funded at all, but not because of that particular dollar figure.
     
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    All he is good at is fooling people. The changes to NAFTA were not significant. US contributions to NATO were overstated. Kim was never a serious threat, but now that Trump has stood beside him on the world stage and given him exactly what he wants, he can go back to oppressing his own people without fear of reprisal from without or from within.

    Trump is a fraud and some continue to fall for his scam, but reality is catching up with him.
     
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    Well, if it's even smaller then this fight has even less meaning. Who cares if it's "symbolic", other nations have a border. Reinforcing our border is a good thing, not a bad thing. At least this isn't going to a Trump tower, etc. It's going to something good.

    But I will concur with those who say cameras/drones might be cheaper/better options. But this isn't anything to shut the government down over.
     
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    The man who helped co-author President Trump’s bestselling book, “The Art of the Deal,” tore into the president for his recent tweet bragging about his writing skills.

    “He is incapable of reading a book, much less writing one,” Tony Schwartz tweeted on Wednesday.


    Schwartz told The New Yorker last year that he had written Trump's 1987 book as a ghostwriter. Trump has denied that claim and said the pair worked as a team.

    Schwartz's tweet came after Trump boasted about his writing ability in a Tuesday tweet.

    "After having written many best selling books, and somewhat priding myself on my ability to write, it should be noted that the Fake News constantly likes to pore over my tweets looking for a mistake,” Trump wrote. “I capitalize certain words only for emphasis, not [because] they should be capitalized!”



    Schwartz said that Trump’s tweet claiming he has “'written' bestselling books is one more deceit & delusion.”

    Tim O’Brien, a biographer who has written about Trump, also responded to the president’s tweet.

    “President Trump didn’t write any of his books,” the author tweeted Tuesday. “Ghostwriters on all of them.”





     
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    AtsamattaU Well-Known Member

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    It’s an ineffective solution, so you’re right, Trump should not be shutting the government down over this. Trump doesn’t want the wall for security, he wants it for his ego.
     
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    *Sigh* Let's put it another way: He shouldn't, but he will So, isn't it up to us to be the adults in the room? The only way they can pass the veto is to pass it with 2/3rds supermajority. Now, for those who passed the budget that funded the wall, will they all of a sudden vote against their own legislation effectively?

    Trump may not have a lot of clout, or power but you can't deny that he has some. Hence, what negotiations are for. Trump actually proposed such a deal earlier: His wall, for the dreamers. I think he'd be more than willing to go back to that. Include that in the bill, and get it done.

    This isn't the hill for anyone to die on.
     
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    Didn't he refuse to honor that commitment?
     
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    Given the circumstances now, I think he would. And both parties would fulfill their "far" promises to their bases. Democrats get dreamers, Trump gets his wall and this farce is over with.
     
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    Sounds like unverified claims.
     

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