Is God’s plan on track? Were we created to be sinners?

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  1. Greatest I am

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    Is God’s plan on track? Were we created to be sinners?


    Many think that God has a plan for all of us sinners, a perfect plan actually, to get as many of us into heaven as possible. Even all of us, if God is as perfect as some say he is. No God worth the title would have it any other way.


    God's plan can never go off track or be fouled as that would show a weakness in God and his ability to plan perfectly.


    The above being irrefutable, if there is a God and a plan, indicates that this reality is the best that Yahweh can accomplish?


    It is interesting that scriptures say that to backslide is evil, while it ignores that if there is a plan in place, then the world is in it’s best possible form. Scriptures that show a backsliding God and world must be wrong.


    Thanks to God’s plan, we are living in perfection. To think otherwise would be seeing God get a fail on maintaining the initial perfection of creation.


    In the beginning, all was perfect. That perfection cannot be allowed to backslide if there is a God.



    Do you see God as a backslider or a God whose plan is running along in a perfect way?


    Sing the hymn with me of Adam’s sin. It says that Adam’s sin was a happy fault and necessary to God’s plan.


    Were we created to be sinners?


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    There are also some who think we are fallen angels and here to redeem ourselves of past sins when we left God and followed Lucifer.
    I have studied some of this but not enough to be convinced.
    There are some verses that could be interpreted this way.
    In both Old and New Testaments.
    Jesus calling the Apostates who crucified Him ' gods ' from their father the Devil. Angles and heavenly bodies were called by several names one of which is 'god' , Cheribim, Nephehim, Morning Stars 'Jesus and Lucifer both called Morning Stars'.
     
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    According to at least one passage in the Bible only Gentiles are sinners.

    Galatians 2:15 (CEB) = *We are born Jews—we’re not Gentile sinners.*
     
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    Good. You have not fallen into intellectual dissonance with a belief in the supernatural.

    I hope you can switch to studying the better religions that put man above God where we should be given that we create all the Gods.

    Most do not recognize that when believing in the supernatural, there is always a God above God just like how fractals works.

    Turtles over turtles over turtles holding up the earth. Ignore that old saying if you are not aware of it.

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    We are the vast majority so I will take that as a yes to our being created to be sinners.

    Can I take it that you would agree that if God punishes us for being and doing as programmed, he would be unjust?

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    All Gods are imaginary. There is no real celestial God of any kind in this solar system. The biblical God was simply the series of various emperors and chief priests who ruled the ancient Middle Eastern empires that controlled the Israelites/Hebrews/Jews. Their God died when the last Babylonian emperor bit the dust around 530 BC. He isn't coming back.
     
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    I was looking more for a moral judgement from you on the fantasy Yahweh but good enough.

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    Didn't we all eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil? So of course we all know that the biblical Jealous is pure evil. Look at who started the myth.
     
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    Egyptians and Sumerians. Right?

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