Americans Have a Duty to Be Armed

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  1. Ethereal

    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    It is the ethical duty of all able-bodied Americans to be armed and proficient in the use of arms. No society can protect its freedom if the common people are not armed and trained and ready to defend themselves against any who would oppress them. The purpose of the second amendment is expressly stated as ensuring the "security of a free state". History has repeatedly shown that unarmed people are frequently the victims of oppression and exploitation. History has also shown that the powerful have always sought to disarm the common people so as to render them defenseless. What it means to be "armed and proficient" is open to some interpretation, of course. It doesn't mean that every person in America needs to walk around with an AR15 strapped to their chest. Context matters here. For some people, it will mean being part of an active militia that trains together in exurban settings. For most others, it will simply mean having a rifle and taking it to a range once in a while. The basic point is to make sure that the common people are able to defend themselves collectively.
     
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    I am pro gun but there are enough gun nuts and irresponsible gun owners in America already. We don’t need more with all of the mentally ill, drug users, criminals, angry people, etc.
     
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    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    I never said there should be more gun nuts or irresponsible gun owners. I'm talking about common people arming themselves and being well trained.
     
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    Amen.
     
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    I'm pro 2nd amendment rights.

    But let's not kid ourselves. In any kind of confrontation with an organized military or police force even the largest possible group of average American gun owners would be hopelessly outclassed. So having a firearm to "defend our freedoms" is largely a joke.

    Everyone actually knows this but the bottom line is guns are fun.
     
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    Really? The people in Afghanistan has resisted for 17 years. Americans are MUCH MORE resolved.
     
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    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Outclassed yes but if you think the US government will turn their guns in one third of the population you are mistaken.
     
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    That is not entirely true. In an all out battle, it would be true. But conducted as guerrilla operations they can disrupt operations considerably and is very hard to defend against.

    Given all that, trying to conduct such operations long term is not a situation we ever want to be in and the majority of the population is not equipped physically or mentally. It would have to be a truly desperate situation before it should even be considered.

    In short. Not impossible, but very unlikely.

    And as said above:
     
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    Yeah in the Vigilante chase down the egg thrower and he ended up running in the car and killing somebody

    They don't sell nuclear bombs at Walmart

    For a very good reason
     
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    In the unlikely event that there was a widespread revolution or civil war, it's likely that the military would turn on the government rather than slaughter the people they are defending.

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    really? tell that to the viet cong who defeated the greatest armed force in the world. tell that to the afghan rebels who forced the might of the soviet union to flee in terror. in a normal stand-up fight we wouldn't have much of a chance, but asymmetrical warfare changes the odds and often gives over the advantage to those who are best able to utilize the terrain. yes, they would call it terrorism. yes, they would attempt to vilify such freedom fighters in the court of public opinion and might very well turn the sentiments of the global population against them. victory for such a force would certainly be a miracle, but victory isn't always the main objective. the goal of asymmetrical warfare is to make the stronger force so uncomfortable that is must eventually capitulate, to make the cost too high to keep up the fight.

    a wise man is always aware of this possibility and is always ready to either fight or accept his chains. the question is - which alternative best suits you?
     
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    Uh, it is already illegal for them to own a gun.
     
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    The worst trend I see are the snowflakes that will protect their children by keeping them totally ignorant about guns.

    Kids are by nature curious so when they actually encounter one they run the chance of killing someone near them.

    We were taught the basics about handling a gun at a very early age and especially never point a gun at anyone even if you think it is unloaded.
     
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    It's time to bring archery and target practice (with gun safety) back to public schools.
     
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    Hell yeah. I was on the HS gun team.
     
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    "It is the ethical duty of all able-bodied Americans to be armed and proficient in the use of arms. No society can protect its freedom if the common people are not armed and trained and ready to defend themselves "

    Bullcrap!

    I owe no one an ethical responsibility for his protection ...I owe no man that responsibility...and no man owes me that responsibility for mine.





     
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    If you're suggesting a sizeable force of American civilians would ever be embattled without 'organized military or police' accompanyment, then you're kidding yourself.

    In an invasion scenario, if the military were somehow defeated, civilians would be led by its remnants and veterens.

    In a civil war scenario, the military would be divided in similar proportions to the general population, supplying and organizing forces on both sides.

    Its never going to just be our military against a horde of civilians.
     
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    That doesn't stop them from getting one from irresponsible gun owners which are a significant number of gun owners.
     
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    It says "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State..."

    Every man for himself is not a well-regulated militia. That the right to bear arms is THEN added makes clear that this is more about armies than vigilantes. I agree that we have a right to self defense and I'm not anti-gun. I am just anti-fanatic. A lot of people have made guns a religion. I've seen guys in nutter videos stroke their AKs or whatever like a big phallus. It is embarrassing to watch.

    Guns have become phallic symbols for gun nuts.
     
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    In a one on one confrontation you would be correct, but I believe the OP was talking in a much broader meaning. If there happened to be open conflict in the US you will need help against an armed force, as your neighbor will need help from the same force.
     
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    I'm amazed that anyone would believe such rubbish. I can think of two examples right off the top of my head where the US failed to defeat low-tech insurgencies in Vietnam and Iraq. Unconventional warfare has been used throughout centuries to defeat conventional forces who possess superior technology and numbers. There is no reason to think it would be any different if the insurgents were American.
     
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    Sorry but the fact that the Vietnamese and Afgans and The people of the Middle East are willing to die to resist American imperialism tells us that they are a lot tougher than we will ever be. That is unless you really believe that our civilian play soldiers with their play pretend military weapons are really that much tougher than our armed forces.
     
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    Huh?
     
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    Right, yet you would be the first person to argue that other people are ethically obligated to subsidize someone else's healthcare or groceries. I mean, what happened to "we're all in this together"? Why don't you want to pull your weight?
     
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    New Jersey, a liberal pisshole, recently banned magazines over 10 rounds. The law required citizens to turn over their now outlawed magazines to law enforcement. Last I checked (a few days ago) no one has complied.
     

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