Trump surrenders Syria to ISIS

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  1. Ethereal

    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    And yet his position on Syria is 100% correct. So if Trump is stupid, then what does that say about his opponents?
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What a joke of a post. Just because the US is now using the Kurds to fight ISIS .. does not mean that the it was the US that defeated ISIS.

    The territory held by ISIS has been reduced to 1% of what it once was ... It was not the US that did the majority of this .. It was Russia and the Syrian army.

    Your argument is beyond clueless. https://arretsurinfo.ch/there-is-no-fsa-there-is-only-al-qaeda/

    Second .. you have moved the goal posts in that we were discussing the fact that for much of the war the US was supporting (on the same side as) Al Qaeda and ISIS.

    As per the above link - the much vaunted "Free Syrian Army" was Al Qaeda/Al Nusra.

    You are seriously lacking understanding of the conflict in Syria. What is more obscene is you trying to claim that 10 Bipartisan US senators are lying with respect to their claims that indeed we were arming and supporting Al Qaeda and the terrorist groups of the same ilk that went on to form the modern incarnation of ISIS.

    You are in complete denial and avoidance mode ( almost if not at the level of an extremist religious adherent when confronted with ideas that conflict with ingested dogma) - completely shutting down your thought process in a desperate attempt to make the "bad thought" go away - complete with the standard "demonization of the messenger" tactic that religious adherents use.

    Read the friggen link - its long I know but, you are desperately in need of reprogramming. I have read many of your posts in the past - which are often very good - I know you are not a stupid person so quit acting like one. This is not a friggen joke.

    Are you really going to sit there and try to tell me that Tulsi Gabbard - Democratic Senator from Hawaii - is Lying ? https://gabbard.house.gov/news/StopArmingTerrorists

    What the fk is wrong with you ?
     
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    We have made a disaster for ourselves and for locals with everything we have done in the middle east. Let's put an end to it.
     
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    Yes. Trump's fans ignore reality. When posters write about the dumb things Trump says and/or the dangerous decisions he makes like his surrender in Syria -- which he reversed because of pressure -- his fans ignore what Trump did and attack the poster and/or try to change the subject.

    What continues to amaze me is, they can't defend him but they continue to support him. That makes no sense.

    Maybe that is the answer to the conundrum. There is no sense.
     
  5. Sandy Shanks

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    Great, you are siding with Trump and the Iranians. The mullahs feel the same way you do.

    In his first Cabinet meeting of the year, President Trump stuck a dagger in a major initiative advanced by his foreign policy team: Iran’s leaders, the president said, “can do what they want” in Syria.

    With a stray remark, Trump snuffed out a plan from his national security adviser, John Bolton, who this fall vowed that the United States would not leave Syria “as long as Iranian troops are outside Iranian borders.”

    The president’s statement offered the latest illustration of the dramatic gyrations that have characterized his foreign policy and fueled questions about whether his senior advisers are implementing his policies or pursuing their own agendas.


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...58c33d6c8c7_story.html?utm_term=.f07516bb19a9

    Now we all know where you stand.

    Putin benefits from Trump's statements and decisions. Now why is that, do you think?
     
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    *******s are so ignorant they have everything all backwards. The US was HELPING ISIS and created it. Now Assad will slaughter them.
     
  7. redeemer216

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    No, he/she is siding with American people, you living strawman.
     
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    leftists 2016: TRUMP IS GOING TO DRAG US INTO WARS!

    leftists 2018: WHY IS TRUMP DRAGGING US OUT OF TWO WARS?
     
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  9. Sandy Shanks

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    Source-less. The only way to defend Trump is to create fantasies. His fans do it all the time because reality is not something they wish to address.
     
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    Yes, I know that is how you feel, too. You favor ceded Syria to Iran. Putin thinks that way, too.

    Obviously, to does Trump, although he was forced to withdraw his surrender order.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes no leftists said Trump was going to get us into wars.

    No wonder leftists on this forum want to stop people from bringing up old threads.
     
  12. Sandy Shanks

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    Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump


    We have defeated ISIS in Syria, my only reason for being there during the Trump Presidency.

    6:29 AM - Dec 19, 2018

    Washington (CNN)Despite President Donald Trump's decision to pull US troops from Syria and recent statements from some senior administration officials, including Vice President Mike Pence, saying ISIS has been defeated, the US-led fight against the terror group in Syria is continuing, with US-backed forces recapturing ISIS-held towns and the US-led coalition carrying out hundreds of air and artillery strikes in recent weeks.

    Between December 16 and December 29, US-led coalition military forces conducted 469 air and artillery strikes targeting ISIS in Syria. The strikes were carried out against ISIS fighters, buildings, oil facilities, vehicles, tunnels, weapons caches and improvised explosive device facilities, according to a statement issued by the coalition.


    "We have defeated ISIS in Syria." Trump is an idiot.
     
  13. FreedomSeeker

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    But, but, but I thought leftists wanted to "stop the war - support our troops - BRING THEM HOME!" Trump does just that and now they scream, basically "keep the war going!!!" WTF!?
     
  14. redeemer216

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    That's the military industrial complex and the MSM, not leftists. I know the propaganda is easy to get confused, but everyday American leftists are not ok with with this. It wasn't really surprising when Trump pulled a Trump and backed down on his promise to leave again.
     
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  15. Sandy Shanks

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    So, why did he change his mind?

    I will tell you. Pressure from his own party leaders, his own advisors, the chiefs of staffs, and the American people via the media.

    The war is back in the hands of the generals where it belongs until we have a Commander-in-Chief who knows what he is doing and listens to others. Trump consulted no one about his surrender.

    Trump’s abrupt decision to withdraw U.S. ground forces from Syria left his hawkish allies in the Republican Party, along with much of the American foreign-policy establishment, positively aghast. It even prompted Trump’s secretary of defense, James Mattis, to resign on Thursday.

    “It has rattled the world,” declared a glum Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, the president’s foe turned bosom buddy, who joined two senior Democrats on Thursday to plead with the president to change his mind. “If it isn’t reversed,” tweeted Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, “it will haunt this administration & America for years to come.”


    https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...ps-surprising-decision-withdraw-syria/578755/
     
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    Source?

    Do you have any idea what you are talking about or are you making this up as you go along. Provide the statements of a Democratic leader in Congress who is saying what you are saying.

    Otherwise, it is just plain B.S. and you made a fool of yourself.

    Besides, what does this have to do with Trump's decision to surrender the region to Russia, Assad, and ISIS? So, in addition to being wrong, your comment was irrelevant.
     
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    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sandy, you have become a warmonger. In your leftie rage, do you know why we are so heavily involved with Syria in the first place?
     
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    Sandy, you say we surrendered. Well to surrender there has to be a clear goal and a method of winning. What exactly does winning in Syria look like? How is that going to be accomplished? Well the answer is there is no clear goal. The goal is to keep troops there eternally. So we need to get out. We are only making things worse. We were not invited and neither was it EVER authorized by congress. We are just slaving yourself out to the highest bidder and so are you. Interventionism is a failed policy and we can see that from the last 30 years of history. Muslims can only police Muslims. I don't expect an actual answer as I haven't got one from you yet.

    It's interesting that even Elizabeth Warren (radical leftist) even supports Trumps original stance on this. Trumps execution was terrible but it was the correct call and is overwhelmingly supported by the majority of Americans.
     
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    In the latest revision to a wartime decision that rattled the Middle East and prompted two major resignations from Donald Trump’s administration, a senior State Department official says there’s “no timeline” for the withdrawal of 2,000 U.S. troops from Syria.

    “The president has made the decision that we will withdraw our military forces from Syria, but that it will be done in a deliberate, heavily coordinated way with our allies and partners,” the senior official briefed reporters on Friday ahead of a ten-country diplomatic reassurance tour by Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and John Bolton, President Trump’s national security adviser.

    At the same time, the official continued, “we do not intend to have an indefinite military presence in Syria.”


    https://www.thedailybeast.com/now-us-says-theres-no-timeline-to-leave-syria

    Of course not, our military presence is not forever. What this means is that Trump ludicrous surrender order goes in the trash bin of unremarkable history and will soon be forgotten. Unfortunately, Trump's incredibly stupid decision cost us a valuable and reliable advisor. It will be hard to replace him, which is why the moron in the Oval Office says it will take a while.

    While all this was going on Trump started another crisis, the government shutdown. It is now in its 14th day with no end in sight.

    Can a President be impeached for being stupid?
     
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    Yes, I do. Read the OP.

    While we are throwing labels around, are you a liberal peace freak who wants all our troop in Indian country to be brought home? Sounds like that is what you are saying.
     
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    Apparently a poster can't.
    Indian country? Are talking dots or feathers?
     
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    Yes, I know that is how you feel. Surrender is when you give up and leave the battlefield. That is exactly what Trump wanted to do. Fortunately, his surrender order was cancelled. I know you are disappointed. You wanted turn Syria over to Russia, Iran, and the Assad government.

    In his first Cabinet meeting of the year, Iran’s leaders, the president said, “can do what they want” in Syria.

    You agree with him. "What exactly does winning in Syria look like? How is that going to be accomplished?" You are implying that we can't win in Syria. So, we should turn it over to the mullahs. Right? That is what you are saying.
     
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    Indian country is military vernacular for hostile territory.

    You didn't answer my question.
     
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  24. redeemer216

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    I knew you wouldn't answer. Throwing out a list of straw-men is not a response. Once again we can't turn something over we don't own. Assad still controls 60 percent of the country, the other 40 percent is only because of the TERRORISTS we supported. We were illegally there to start with. Now it'll just go back to the status quo as a sovereign territory. ISIS as a military force is virtually gone. The only and I mean only thing I am worried about are the Kurds.

    Again what is the goal and how are you going to accomplish it and why should Americans care?
     
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    And neither did you. Dots or feathers?
     

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