Some wonder about my church. The latter day Saints LDS

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nobody is after my money more than the Democrats and their own laws they passed to lay me to waste. They will actually jail me for not paying to Government it's demanded tithing.

    The cult is government. And nobody taxes you like Government. Government does not charge you 10 percent. It works hard to grab much much more.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Frankly i would hear a lot of trash talking if she tried to tell me precisely how to be a disciple of Jesus. She would get accused of managing my mind for me. She would be accused of worse than that.

    A very brief note to me from the church would not work too well if it was many many pages long.

    We do allow members time and study to try to come to terms with Jesus and the value of his teaching.

    We get accused of a secret from non believers events at the temples. Having been in a Temple in Utah i can tell you what the so called secret was and freely and with the approval of any church leader.

    They will not chastise me or make a deal over my explaining this.

    The so called secret was my parents had a civil wedding which was not in any of our churches. They wanted to more than commit to society, but to also commit their marriage to GOD. So they also wanted to ensure their children, I being one, were bonded to them post their death.

    Mother and Father wedded again in the Temple and we children being alive and older watched them do it. The sealing of we children was handled by words by a church leader in Utah who did it as I said to bond us to our parents upon our deaths.

    I frankly never thought of that as a secret. Mother and Father later did more Temple work that involved them going through the baptism ceremony for other family members who died and had not been baptized. Happy to tell you our secrets.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have not made a secret of the fact that it is Democrats in their cults. Worse than helping a church, they work to help their own particular brand of cult like Democratic party teachings.

    She did not try to box me in and tell me precisely how a disciple is. I think she hoped to tell me to look deeper.
    Who was far more bonded to their leader than the Obama cult members? They even preached to us how important and vital it was for him to be black. As if color was magic for their leader.

    Obama if you recall tossed his church leader under the Bus. For things said that Obama despised. But Obama had his come to Jesus movement only after his church leader did the damage. And very reluctantly as well he ended up putting that leader under his bus.

    My OP however was not supposed to be over politics. But when i get attacked, at least i work to explain it to the Bigots.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Noble priorities however I can't say the same for the content of the ministry itself.

    I respect your right to believe, but I find biblical literalism to be nonsensical in light of 21st century knowledge and understanding.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So you told me how you are a bigot. And that is not a lousy word. It means you lack understanding of my church but feel obliged to run us down.

    We also get blamed for not accepting the Kings James version of the Bible. We can't win at all. We get called fundamentalists though there are no more authoritarian fundamentalists as found in Catholic churches. I still try to consider Catholics as good people and loath trying so say anything bad about them. They have rights too.

    Consider one thing. Levies for money. We have been accused of imposing a levy on members. But this is a misunderstanding. We suggest 10 percent. A lot of families would truly suffer since they pay Government much more and paying 10 percent is a hardship on them. We have a good church. Why is this?

    Well how fast will Government show up during a major fire in forests? We show up in spades at such events. WE feed those people who are victims. We hand over donations of a lot of needed things to victims. We do not have people who badger victims with forms to fill out nor tell them they will go to jail for fraud. WE help them and do not question them as does Government.
     
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    Sallyally Well-Known Member Donor

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    Dunno if it's such a great comparison- does your church run and pay for an army?
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In the past of course. Note the national guard in Utah and Idaho.

    But back to my point. I was not trying to compare our measly 10 percent to making wars.

    We have a huge discrepancy if you add udp all government. It socks a lot of people for more than 50 percent of their income.
     
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    Sallyally Well-Known Member Donor

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    If someone can afford to pay more than 50% of their income, in tax, they are making too much money.
    These would be people like the Waltons I suppose?
    Don't know how much tax bill gates pays, but he can afford to pay plenty.
     
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    Distraff Well-Known Member

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    Smith is an obvious fraud. For example, the Kinderhook plates which were frauds created by two men to test whether he was a prophet. Smith's response:
    "they contain the history of the person with whom they were found and he was a descendant of Ham through the loins of Pharaoh king of Egypt, and that he received his kingdom from the ruler of heaven and earth."
     
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    I really cannot say that there is anything wrong with anything that you stated in your reply.

    I may explain the whole thing a little differently but....... what you wrote really does make sense to me.

    I would add though that Ezekiel chapter 37 rather than being a one time event.......
    I believe that it happens again and again and again and again as G-d
    recreates moment in what we think of as the past.....
    and spins off new time lines........ new alternate universes.......
    in which people are brought to salvation who had remained in an unsaved state of mind and heart in other previous time lines.......

    The rewards for conversion in these new time lines may be somewhat lower than for somebody who came to salvation in a previous time line in which a lower amount of the Holy Spirit was poured out.......
    but at least they have finally came to genuine repentance.


    https://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/howard-storm.html#a04
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    True.... the Latter day Saint missionaries that I met while I was a member of the Worldwide Church of God.......
    once I told them that I was happy, (at that time anyway) as a member of that church..... they
    gave up on attempting to turn me into a Latter day Saint.

    I was impressed with their approach.....
    I got the impression that they tended to feel more of a connection with a Christian who terms themselves
    Messianic Gentile and would agree with much of what they believe regarding where the Lost Tribes of Israel may
    well have wandered to......
    than they would with the average Baptist.

    Mr. Yair Davidiy is an Orthodox Jew..... not a Christian.. .but he is onto something interesting here:

    http://www.britam.org/messiah.html

    MOSHIACH BEN YOSEPH
    by Yair Davidiy

     
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    Couldn't give a hoot about the LDS but then there are a lot of things I don't give a hoot about.

    Never will forget the guy that was LDS that chased me around the trailer park because I made fun of him. We called him butt-n-belly because of his stature. He was really a nice guy though.

    This is a free country and congrats to freedom. Some wish to take that away.
     
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    By slipping in a verse prophesying about himself and omitting the Song of Solomon?

    Would you edit the text of Pride and Prejudice, any of the scripts of William Shakespeare, Lord of The Rings, Gone With the Wind or any other great works of literature and then say: My translation is more accurate. What the authors MEANT to say was... and then say My writings are not fan fiction.

    I have no love for the Bible, but I will not be lied to by having the texts of the original authors edited to fit an agenda.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I guess then it is you that has a problem. Frankly i am not here to try to coach you on the testaments of the Bible.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And according to my church, you have free agency to believe as you want. We won't speak of putting you in hell. Some churches do that.
     
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    LDSers have to sit down with a Bishop's representative at the end of the year to make sure they have paid 10% on the gross income. Don't do that? No recommend to go to the Mormon temple for sacred rites and rituals.

    That's why they don't "pass the plate."

    Yes, Trumpers are cult like believers.

    Telling the truth about the LDS Church is never ad hom.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have attended a Methodist church, been to a Catholic church and to non denominational churches and even a Baptist Church. I enjoy all churches for various reasons but none make me feel as good about my role with God than my LDS church does. i never even remotely think of ever leaving it. I have never attended a Mormon church that put in time running other churches down but a non denominational preacher I listened to one time put forth effort running down my church. Maybe you don't care but we do not enjoy running others down.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is the same attitude bank robbers have or those taking a purse from a woman sitting at a table. They think they know how much wealth others should own. I do not value others on wealth but defend wealth a lot since they had a lot of roads to travel but picked the best road.

    Why envy wealth?
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well that is one hell of an attitude on your part. But I expected Bigots to show up and mock our church.

    What it reminds me of is let's say Einstein makes a dozen predictions yet of the dozen 10 are true. Do we just call him al liar since he missed two of them?
     
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    That is the same, Robert, attitude that Bishops have about a member's tithing year end settlement. Pay up, or don't go to the Temple.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Fair enough but not going to the temple is not punishment.
     
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    So you'd rather give your money to anyone else than to government? Considering how governments squander our taxes, I kinda get where you're coming from.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I do not even disagree with your claims about tithing. But I remind you the temple is for specific purposes and one is expected to show up in the best way. A good way to think of it is what happens to you when you refuse to pay taxes to Government. They put you on Trial and ship you to jail.
    We do not do that. Government which you apparently deeply love does.

    I do back Trump but the man is not who I truly wanted in the White House. I refuse to let others pee in my cereal because they are malcontents. I consider the malcontents the way you see what you call tax cheats. Why do I complain about a famous Republican? The man dragged cannon and men with large bore rifles into a part of the country that only wanted to be left alone. But Would Trump do the same thing the same lovers of Abe Lincoln would have blood red eyes and really go after the man,. As they should.
     
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    Lucky for you that you are not one of those young men with black name tags. Because it is indeed their job to address my specific objections when I raise it with them.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    First, we suffer that we do not have one government. I have my city government who wants money, I have the county government also wanting more money and I have the state Government also wanting money. Then we suffer the Feds who blow the most out the door into the sky and they ask us to pay the Feds even more and more. I shop and pay taxes. I use a phone and that adds more taxes. I must pay for drugs per my doctor and in the medicine is even more taxes. To see my doctor his taxes have to be included in my bill.
    Mormons only pay a small sum to our church. As it perhaps ought to be.
     
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