Brexit: Theresa May's deal is voted down

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  1. Blücher

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    Blücher beat me to it but I was looking at an extended time period in case one country just happened to be a net contributor in that one year. My list is therefore:
    • Austria
    • Belgium
    • Cyprus
    • Denmark
    • France
    • Finland
    • Germany
    • Italy
    • Luxembourg
    • Netherlands
    • Sweden
    • UK
     
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    They're per capita statistics aren't they?
     
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    No, per capita Sweden pays the most.
     
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    "five countries - Germany, France, Italy, the UK, and Spain - contributed nearly half of the budget."

    So the biggest contributors then, as opposed to net contributors. It's virtually the same thing in my book. To argue about it would be splitting hairs.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8036097.stm
     
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    How can it be virtually the same thing? Look at Spain
     
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    So the UK pays the smallest amount of gross national income of any country by your source
     
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    Not at all the same thing. Spain for example is a net recipient of funds, whereas the other four are net contributors.

    Net contribution/receipts per capita is probably the best way to illustrate how heavily the budget "burden" is borne by each country but that's only half the story. I'm an annual net contributor to Costco (I pay an annual membership) but every year the money that Mrs Don and I save there far outweighs the membership fee. Likewise the net contributors to the EU budget receive significant benefits including access to a huge market, consistent rules, removal of customs and excise duty and a myriad other things.
     
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    That's all very well from a trade perspective, but Brexit for a great many Brits - myself included - was about the loss of sovereignty implicit in the emerging United States of Europe.

    Put another way: imagine the US signing a trade relationship with a group of countries that involved turning over US sovereignty to those nations to determine your domestic laws, foreign policy etc., where Congressmen and women and Senators would simply become rubber stamps - and yet this relinquishing of sovereignty wasn't clearly reported to the people.

    It's a subject that isn't often referenced by our media because most of them favour staying in the EU (the EU is managed by unelected bureaucrats, is not a viable democratic institution and is de facto guided / run by large corporations) and therefore they wish to play down this reality.

    Besides that I think few Brits truly fully understand the sovereignty issue and their thoughts are focused - by the media and the political class - on pocket issues.
     
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    Six out of ten.
     
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    Isn't it obvious? There's a lot of opposition and resentment towards Brussel's arrogance and tyranny, and their imposition of their own standards such as austerity and liberalism on nations with different value systems. This is the crux of the problem. Migrants are just one part of it.

    If we look at nations such as Italy, there is over 30% unemployment among young people, something they never had before - so are they better off? Most of the highly educated Greeks were forced to leave either for Germany or Australia, do you think they're better off? Do you think the French are better off, just look at the riots.

    Pensioners in Greece were dying from lack of medicine through no fault of their own, while the wealthy who never paid taxes and robbed the country got off scot free. It all had to do with Brussels and Merkel policies - which included her austerity which stunted the countries growth for at least 7 years. Now they apologized and said they made a mistake. Was it a mistake, if I recall when Veroufakis said it was stunting Greece, he was laughed at and they told him they know that.


    Merkel's not stupid, so what was her plan? Was it to kill off the untermenchens and destroy the countries in Southern Europe by having the educated leave? Was her intent to repopulate them with Muslims to eliminate Christianity and ethnicities for a 'liberal one world order'? You tell me, because it looks as suspicious to me as ours wars do. I look at the EU and can't help but think the worse.
     
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    Austerity in the UK was the official policy of the pigs head loving David Cameron and his prostitute using, cocaine snorting chancellor George Osbourne, nothing to do with the EU. I cannot wait until Christianity and the other revolting abrahamic religions are no longer funded by me in state schools. And of course we have suffered from christian religious terrorism in NI for years.
     
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    I agree with you that neo liberalism is bringing a lot of problems to the EU just as it is to the US. The EU now has Diem25 working to change this in a democratic way which will bring people together rather than see them disintegrate into ethnic nationalist states at war with each other. There is always more than one way to skin a cat.
     
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    Jenny just wants what is best for Russia - the dissolution of NATO and the EU.
     
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    The EU like the US does nothing in a democratic way, rather it imposes what it wants on politicians with personal and economic blackmail, threats, briberies, regime changes, assassinations and so on and so forth. This is why there are wars and the world's a mess. You can't go against the will of the people and have peace.

    Right now Britain is being punished for wanting to leave the EU, but if there's a hard Brexit, it will back fire.
     
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    Yeah, the EU is why there are wars.

    :alcoholic:
     
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    Just watched Casablanca, again.
    And read the quoted upload.


    @Jeannette
    Y'think the E.U. is like "soft & fuzzy" Hitlerism?
    Without the Hitler of course.

    Anyone who should reply is requested to spend more than one synapse on the question.
    No reflex replies is requested.
    Why yes, why no.



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    Anyone in their right mind would want the dissolution of Nato, especially after the bombing of Belgrade for 78 days under a false pretext. Then there's the destruction of Iraq and Libya and the ongoing war in Syria to force a regime change.

    As for the EU, I foresaw it's decline with what they did to Greece. After they destroyed it with austerity, they apologized and said that they now realize that it doesn't work. Right Merkel! When Veroufakis told them that austerity was stunting the economy they laughed and said they know. In other words they could care less how many people died from lack of medicine. So much for the liberalism they tout and their secular humanism.
     
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    Uh huh. It's all the EU's & NATO's fault. Syria isn't a mess because of a murderous dictator and a terror organization, and Greece didn't get itself into massive debt. It's the evil EU that made Greece overspend on its pensions and benefits, and it's evil NATO that started the Syrian civil war, because that's what your self-filtered information from absolutely disreputable sources tells you, and your mind is closed tight to any other possibility.

    Always have to wonder how and why you let yourself become this way. Then again, I always have to wonder why people adhere to goofy religious beliefs that are clearly debunked by modern science. People are strange, stubborn critters at times.
     
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    I always felt Merkel managed with economics to do what Hitler couldn't do with his military - and that is to control Europe. What gets me is that Merkel keeps enticing nations to join, without giving a damn towards the people in the EU that are suffering. But then again when Yanukovich realized the debt Ukraine would fall in and decided not to join, they began paying protesters to overthrow him.
     
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    The dark times in Europe had nothing to do with the small city states and principalities, which were always fighting among themselves anyway - ancient Greece comes to mind and the petty wars of the Renaissance. The dark times began with Bismarck when he united the German principalities and imposed Prussian militarism on them.

    Then of course there was the takeover of Russia by the globalist one world government known as the Soviet Union. Both big and powerful entities and both evil.


    We in the US are the inheritors.
     
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    There is nothing evil about today's united Germany, but there is something evil about modern Russia under the KGB man's iron-fisted governance.
     
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    Everyday folks focus on personal economic issues without any help from the media or elites.
     

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