F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

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  1. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    The type of "collusion" as promulgated by the media, is obviously ILLEGAL collusion, as in that they colluded with Russia to INFLUENCE the election by spreading misinformation and influencing who people voted for. This is why Trump and others were talking about "no collusion" because EVERYONE knew the type of collusion that was being talked about. The ACTUAL collusion that occurred is no different to Clinton's collusion.

    And yet you made ZERO attempt to reply to him! :roflol:If it was a "load of angry spew" then it shouldn't have been too difficult to counter!
     
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    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    What makes you say that?
     
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    The bad egg is Trump, who is thin-skinned in a childish way.
     
  4. chris155au

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    Can you provide a source for this?

    What reasons did you give?
     
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    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    Do we know that Comey leaked it to the press?
     
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    Source is Trump's live statement heard by anyone who was watching.
    Reasons are the Russian investigation and he gave this reason to Lester Holt on live TV, Comey's refusal to stop the Flynn investigation when asked, and Comey's refusal to swear loyalty to Trump instead of the American people.
     
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    Through his friend, Daniel Richman, who became his lawyer. It appears that the discussion shifted from 'if Comey leaked' to 'is what Comey leaked classified'. Richman cannot testify because he is representing Comey. Sweet no?


    https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...hat-law-says-about-james-comeys-leaked-memos/
     
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    That conversation was hardly a security breach, but it was embarrassing to Trump.
     
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    Comey leaking to the press started the whole thing as he was pushing for a Special Counsel to attack Trump.
     
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    Comey was telling the truth about his conversation with Trump and Trump needed to be exposed for his insidious remarks.
     
  11. chris155au

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    Got a link to it? I can't find anything on this.

    He said that he fired Comey specifically because of the Russia investigation? Even if he did, why isn't it possible that he fired him because of his incompetence as FBI director and therefore he didn't want someone incompetent running the Russia investigation?

    Trump said this?
     
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    The FBIs baseless speculation of wrongdoing isn't evidence of wrongdoing. AND the FBI should stay away from looking for wrongdoings and should instead look for crimes.
     
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    How do you like this for a crime, will it do?

    Buzzfeed report that Trump 'instructed Cohen to lie' sparks outcry

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46915909

    What does the report say?
    Buzzfeed says its report is based on testimony from two unnamed law enforcement officials involved in investigating the matter.

    The story alleges Mr Trump, his daughter Ivanka and his son Donald Jnr received regular updates about a plan to build a Trump development in Moscow at a time when they denied having business ties to Russia.

    Special counsel Robert Mueller, who is investigating alleged Russian interference in the US presidential election - and whether Trump campaign figures were complicit - has already revealed that Cohen lied about the date the Moscow Trump Tower project ended.

    The report said Mr Mueller had other evidence, including from interviews with other Trump organisation staff and internal company emails, to corroborate Cohen's version of events.

    The report also says Mr Trump allegedly encouraged Cohen to plan a trip to meet President Vladimir Putin during the election campaign.

    The report on Thursday night that there is documentary evidence Donald Trump directed his former attorney to lie to Congress just lit a big fuse.

    If the Buzzfeed story is substantiated - and it asserts this evidence is already in the hands of Mr Mueller - this would appear to present a strong case for presidential obstruction of justice. Democratic Senator Amy Klobuchar, in a hearing on Tuesday, prompted attorney general nominee William Barr to acknowledge as much.
     
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    https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-trump-shutdown-20181227-story.html
    Trump claims without evidence that 'most of the people not getting paid' in shutdown are Democrats
    "Have the Democrats finally realized that we desperately need Border Security and a Wall on the Southern Border," Trump said in the tweet. "Need to stop Drugs, Human Trafficking, Gang Members & Criminals from coming into our Country. Do the Dems realize that most of the people not getting paid are Democrats?"
     
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    Yeah, that's a pretty odd thing to say. I don't know how the hell he can possibly know that they are mostly democrats.
     
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    No lin
    When Trump fired Comey, he did not know about Comey's competence. And when we compare a guy like Comey with all the incompetent, unethical people that Trump brought into his inner circle, it is obvious that Trump wants loyalty, not competence. Again, he told Lester Holt on national TV that he fired Comey because of the Russian investigation, not because of incompetence. I would say that Trump didn't want anyone investigating Russian meddling in our election because Trump might be implicated in some way.
    Not looking for a link. I heard it, so I am your link. And I am not a liar.
    Comey said that Trump asked him to let the Flynn thing go and that Flynn was a great guy. Comey agreed that Flynn was a great guy.
     
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    And I give little credit to the anonymous leaks that the Special Council pushes out constantly. AND plans to develop business ties with Russia isn't business ties with Russia. AND business ties with Russia aren't illegal.
     
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    There was nothing in there to respond to. It was the usual "err--you're speculating" nonsense, along with incomprehensible drivel about what a "foreign adversary" is. Do you believe that Russia isn't a foreign adversary?
     
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    I know, I know. Trump is an honorable guy, yes? Special counsel does not leak. Special counsel may speak out, and it depends on what kind of ties to Russia there are, yes?
     
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    I imagine Putin was taken aback, maybe a little bemused, by how enthusiastic his asset was with trying to set that meeting up. :D
     
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    "I love our country. I have been Russia's worst nightmare. If Hillary got in -- I think Putin is probably going, 'man, I wish Hillary won' because you see what I do," Trump told reporters before heading off the G7 meeting in Quebec.
    "But, with that being said, Russia should be in this meeting," he said. "Why are we having a meeting without Russia being in the meeting?"
    "They should let Russia come back in," he added later.​

    I can't imagine what, other than direct manipulation by Putin or other Russian officials, could have sparked the retard to argue at the G7 for Russia to be readmitted. He's as week in the knees for Putin as is Jenny.
     
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    Hear, hear

    Lock Him Up

    :applause::applause:
     
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    Doesn't change facts. You may not like it, but facts aren't something that's just made up.
     
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