BuzzFeed: Sources say Trump directed Michael Cohen to lie to Congress about proposed Moscow project

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  1. Ericb760

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    The fact that Cohen only corroborated what they first learned through a variety of other documents and witness testimony is so extremely damning.

    They literally don't need Cohen's word. His corroboration is just a "nice-to-have" in order to tie the evidence up in a neat little bow.

    This story is the most direct, easy-to-understand criminal activity that we are now aware of Trump having committed. He must be impeached and removed from office.
     
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    Bill Clinton was impeached on both grounds.
     
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    Err, huh?

    Bill Clinton was impeached for both, and significantly less than we already know about Bonespurs.
     
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    He was.
    And the entire time, the Democrats argued perjury and obstruction - both federal felonies, committed while in office - do not rise to the level of an impeachable offense.
     
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    I've got a $100 which says that political positions from other Democrats from 20 years ago do not matter to the Democrats currently in office today.

    Hell, Lindsey Graham and Mike Mulvaney called trump a gross human being all of two years ago.
     
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  7. Doug_yvr

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    Nine Tweets this morning and Trump hasn't denied the accusation. It could be that he can't deny it - he knows what evidence Mueller has because it was obtained from Cohen and witnesses in the Trump organization. If he lies on the matter it puts him in legal peril.
     
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    One damning truth is that we know for sure that Trump lied about not having business dealings in Russia. He lied repeatedly about that even as those business negotiations were ongoing. It's not unthinkable then that he would ask someone to lie to support a cover up.
     
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    lol... no souce again! How many times are you Leftists going to fall for this?

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    Ted Cruz Calls Trump ‘Amoral,’ ‘Liar’ and ‘Narcissist’ in Fresh Attack

    https://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016...p-amoral-liar-and-narcissist-in-fresh-attack/
     
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    I can't really think of a legal peril created by lying on twitter.

    Perhaps if the statement directly contradicts a statement that he already made under oath?
     
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    ---Graham flat out called trump a "kook".
     
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    His lies can be used as evidence of corrupt intent.
     
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    In addition to being unable to follow the point of my post, you seem to be blessed with an unlimited amount of useless Charlie Brown memes....

    Good to be you!
     
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    Ericb760 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's really the least of your worries.

    Keep whistling past the graveyard...
     
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    Wasn't Buzzfeed also the same rag that published the "Steele Dossier"? What's that saying, fool me once......
     
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    OMG! ACCUSATION!!!

    Where have we heard this before? Hmmmm.... when did it happen?

    How many times do you all have to look foolish?
     
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    That is really ALL of your worries. You never have any source and it's always FAKE NEWS and you keep looking ridiculous.
     
  20. Nemesis

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    Yet another myth promoted by newly-minted "Republicans".

    You really don't see the noose closing around Bonespurs' neck?
     
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    In regard to the Buzzfeed article and its reliability, both of the journalists are decorated (including a Pulitzer Prize finalist and a Pulitzer Prize winner) and experienced in their field. Their reporting on the Moscow Trump Tower deal were also proven by Robert Mueller to have been correct (https://www.vox.com/2019/1/18/18187790/trump-mueller-buzzfeed-cohen-obstruction).

    The White House has not denied the allegations as of this post (though they'd most likely be lying if they did) even though Trump did and there indicates a plethora of evidence that supports the veracity of the article. Using unnamed sources is not unusual for investigative journalism--"Deep Throat" was an unnamed source that provided the evidence behind Nixon's involvement in Watergate and neither he nor the evidence he provided turned out to be unreliable. However, Nixon's approval rating varied from the mid-20s to the mid-30s even after his role in Watergate was revealed and caused him to resign, which indicates that at least a quarter of the country (millions of people, who also tend to be the most vocal) will support conservative politicians regardless of their crimes or misdeeds.

    In the meantime, further investigation continues to be necessary.
     
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    What bullshit.

    You guys are complicit too defending every single thing he does. Get some ****ing perspective. Trump wants to pull us out of NATO FFS. Putin's wildest dreams. Make no mistake, you are choosing to support a traitor to this country. THAT is true.

    15 blanket statements, 101 significant contacts if you click the link below.

    1. July 24, 2016: Paul Manafort appeared on ABC’s This Week and George Stephanopoulos asked him “Are there any ties between Mr. Trump, you or your campaign and Putin and his regime?” To which Manafort responded, “No, there are not. That’s absurd. And you know, there’s no basis to it.”
    2. July 24, 2016: Donald Trump Jr. appeared on CNN and told Jake Tapper that the Clinton campaign’s suggestion that Russia was helping Trump was “disgusting” and “phony,” noting, “Well, it just goes to show you their exact moral compass. I mean, they will say anything to be able to win this. I mean, this is time and time again, lie after lie.”
    3. July 27, 2016: Trump appeared on a CBS Miami news station and, in response to allegations that Russia was trying to help him win the election, told Jim DeFed, “I can tell you I think if I came up with that they’d say, ‘Oh, it’s a conspiracy theory, it’s ridiculous’ … I mean I have nothing to do with Russia. I don’t have any jobs in Russia. I’m all over the world but we’re not involved in Russia.”
    4. October 24, 2016: At a rally in Tampa, Florida, Trump stated he has “nothing to do with Russia, folks. I’ll give you a written statement.”
    5. November 11, 2016: Trump spokeswoman Hope Hicks gave the Associated Press a blanket denial of Trump campaign contacts with Russia, stating, “It never happened. There was no communication between the campaign and any foreign entity during the campaign.”
    6. December 18, 2016: Kellyanne Conway went on “Face the Nation,” and John Dickerson asked her, “Did anyone involved … in the Trump campaign have any contact with Russians trying to meddle with the election?” Conway responded, “Absolutely not. And I discussed that with the president-elect just last night. Those conversations never happened. I hear people saying it like it’s a fact on television. That is just not only inaccurate and false, but it’s dangerous.”
    7. January 10, 2017: At a hearing for Jeff Sessions’ nomination for the position of attorney general, Senator Al Franken asked him what he would do if there was evidence “that anyone affiliated with the Trump campaign communicated with the Russian government in the course of this campaign.” Sessions replied, “I’m not aware of any of those activities. I have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign and I did not have communications with the Russians, and I’m unable to comment on it.”
    8. January 15, 2017: Vice President-elect Mike Pence went on “Fox News Sunday,”and Chris Wallace asked him, “So, I’m asking a direct question: was there any contact in any way between Trump or his associates and the Kremlin or cutouts they had?” Pence replied, “Of course not. Why would there be any contacts between the campaign?
    9. January 15, 2017: That same day, Pence also went on “Face the Nation,” where John Dickerson asked him, “Just to button up one question, did any advisor or anybody in the Trump campaign have any contact with the Russians who were trying to meddle in the election?” Pence replied, “Of course not. And I think to suggest that is to give credence to some of these bizarre rumors that have swirled around the candidacy.”
    10. February 16, 2017: Trump held a press conference and told reporters, “Russia is a ruse. I know you have to get up and ask a question. It’s so important. Russia is a ruse. I have nothing to do with Russia. Haven’t made a phone call to Russia in years. Don’t speak to people from Russia. Not that I wouldn’t. I just have nobody to speak to. I spoke to Putin twice. He called me on the election. I told you this. And he called me on the inauguration, a few days ago. We had a very good talk, especially the second one, lasted for a pretty long period of time. I’m sure you probably get it because it was classified. So I’m sure everybody in this room perhaps has it. But we had a very, very good talk. I have nothing to do with Russia. To the best of my knowledge no person that I deal with does.”
    11. February 19, 2017: White House Chief of Staff Reince Preibus went on “Fox News Sunday,” and when Chris Wallace asked whether the Trump team had any connections to Russia, Preibus said “no.” Preibus later went on to add, “Let me give you an example. First of all, The New York Times put out an article with no direct sources that said that the Trump campaign had constant contacts with Russian spies, basically, you know, some treasonous type of accusations. We have now all kinds of people looking into this. I can assure you and I have been approved to say this—that the top levels of the intelligence community have assured me that that story is not only inaccurate, but it’s grossly overstated and it was wrong. And there’s nothing to it.”
    12. February 20, 2017: White House spokeswoman Sarah Huckabee Sanders denied contacts between Russia and the Trump campaign, stating, “This is a nonstory because to the best of our knowledge, no contacts took place, so it’s hard to make a comment on something that never happened.”
    13. February 24, 2017: At a White House press briefing, Sean Spicer was asked whether “the President has an improper relationship with Russia” and responded, “He has no interests in Russia. He has no—there’s only so many times he can deny something that doesn’t exist.”
    14. May 11, 2017: In an interview with NBC, Trump told Lester Holt, “I have had dealings over the years where I sold a house to a very wealthy Russian many years ago. I had the Miss Universe pageant—which I owned for quite a while—I had it in Moscow a long time ago. But other than that I have nothing to do with Russia.” Later in the interview, when discussing Comey’s firing, Trump stated, “And in fact, when I decided to just do it, I said to myself—I said, you know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story. It’s an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election they should’ve won.”
    15. May 18, 2017: At a press conference in May 2017, Trump repeatedly denied any collusion occurred between his campaign and Russia, at one point stating, “[T] he entire thing has been a witch hunt. And there is no collusion between, certainly, myself and my campaign, but I can only speak for myself and the Russians—zero.



    https://themoscowproject.org/explai...rs-70-contacts-with-russia-linked-operatives/
     
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    Did the Steele Dossier exist or did they misrepresent what was contained therein?
     
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    Ericb760 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do you really think that Mueller doesn't have the sources?
     
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    Crooked donnie.
    Lock him up. Lock him up.

    Who knew all that time during his campaign, he was really talking about himself.
     

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