BuzzFeed: Sources say Trump directed Michael Cohen to lie to Congress about proposed Moscow project

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  1. HB Surfer

    HB Surfer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    (1) I am a Conservatarian (Conservative / Libertarian). The Republicans are a group I cannot call myself a part of. I have been a registered Libertarian for over a decade, but also am not 100% on board with the Party, but it's better than being a Republican to me.

    That is only happening you your made up DailyKos, Rachel Maddow, CNN land. To date you have ZERO EVIDENCE and NO SOURCES for anything that is impeachable. But, hey... you keep trying to kick that football! It's entertaining as hell!
     
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    Not for anything impeachable.

    Nope.

    The leaks were too great. We would know.
     
  3. Ericb760

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    I respect your optimism.
     
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    I have yet to hear anyone say, 'got him'. The investigation is still on going.

    And you're wrong on tRUMP supporters. Most will back him to the end and after.
    As he said, he could shoot someone on 5th Ave in NYC and his lapdogs will still follow.
     
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    True on that.
    It needs corroboration, as does every news story.
     
  6. struth

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    Then left has already highlighted that Cohen is a liar and will say anything to try and spare himself from prison. Why believe anything he says??
     
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    Why do you claim that the leaks from the Mueller investigation are "too great?" What is your proof? Nearly every bit of reporting that I have seen has noted the lack of leaks from the Mueller team.
     
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  8. MrTLegal

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    Setting aside that it is Trump and his Trumpettes who repeatedly tout Cohen's status as a liar, why is believing Cohen relevant? The report notes that the Mueller team only came to Cohen for an admission/denial after they had proof from a whole host of other sources.
     
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  9. struth

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    I thought mueller said he was a liar and hence the plea to lying?
     
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    So, a precedent we have... no, a precedent we do not have - controlling the Senate Dems don't. And if dealing with it dick Clinton was able to, so Trump will, too. But controlling the Senate Dems do not, so academic discussion this is, and dreaming about impeachment you and yours continue will :party:
     
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    I don't recall them also publishing the "yup we got this from a Clinton operative who we're publishing to get the dossier out there so it can be referred to as evidence of veracity for the FISA warrant...." do you? I don't seem to be able to find that part...

    And here we have another salacious assertion printed just because the wheels and cogs in the DOJ who have been working so diligently to manufacture yet more evidence of crime they have come to the table once again with a leaked disclosure that should put who ever leaked it into jail, and is entire unfounded or otherwise baseless. But WAPO and the NYTs will not report on the publishing of the chagers, and those papers of record will become the evidence for further abuse of office for folks like Mueller... Yup, we have definitely seen this movie before...
     
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    The man has pled guilty to lying under oath to Congress.

    Now, why is believing him relevant to whether you accept the veracity of this report?
     
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    Well, to be fair (to the generally unfair), where do you suppose this very story comes from?

    SNIP
    according to two federal law enforcement officials involved in an investigation of the matter.
    ENDSNIP

    Is this SDNY leaking?? Since Mueller turned most of Cohen over to them, it seems possible, but Mueller was the one who charged Cohen with lying to Congress on this matter.... I'm still unsure of the full division of the carcass that used to be Michael Cohen between SDNY and Mueller...
     
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    Yeah, you're a "libertarian".

    You sound like someone who has a very limited scope of news sources. Hence, your "zero evidence!!! Blarrrggghh!!" nonsense.

    So, we've gone from "there's been no contact with Russia, to "no collusion with Russia", and onto "well, there might've been collusion, but not from Bonespurs!" There are at least 104 confirmed contacts between Trump and his campaign, and they're laid out here:

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/s...ies-chart-flynn-page-manafort-sessions-214868

    Not only that, but Bonespurs has already been implicated in violating campaign finance laws--a felony:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...campaign-finance-laws/?utm_term=.5eee656c95bf

    Finally, Trump obstructed justice on the basis of directing Cohen to lie to Congress ALONE. This doesn't include him deliberately interfering with Mueller's investigation and tampering with witnesses:

    https://www.vox.com/2019/1/18/18188125/trump-buzzfeed-mueller-cohen-obstruction

    There's "no evidence! HAWHAWHAW!" This is just what we know---Mueller knows a great deal more, and Bonespurs is in deep trouble. Your posts above reflect a child's view of the law and the facts here. This isn't some ****ing playground game--this is our country, and we are a country based upon the rule of law, not some goofy and immature "the libs are butthurt, and stuff! Duh, yay!" view. Inform yourself, or be quiet and let the adults talk.
     
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    I've got $100 which says that political positions from other Democrats from 20 years ago does not and should control Democrats currently in office today.
     
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    Ditto on Trump.
     
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    You understand that there's a distinction between impeachment on the one hand, and conviction and removal on the other, don't you?
     
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    He was a liar for MAGA. He's turned over a new leaf now, though. He is motivated to avoid more prison time, so you can be damned sure he isn't telling porky pies about MAGA at this point.
     
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    We don't need to believe him. There are witnesses, emails and other documents from within the Trump organization.
     
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    Can Congress convict?
     
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    Can it? Yes. Will it? I doubt it.
     
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    Because the guy that lied to Congress, and yet to be sentenced, is the one making the claim.
     
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    No, he is not. The report notes that Mueller came to him for a confirmation/denial only after they learned of the order from a whole host of other documents.
     
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    You are not keeping up. They have text messages, emails and other information to corroborate these claims. You cannot dismiss this. Mueller knows even more than us that Cohen is a liar. So anything Cohen says will have to be corroborated by hard evidence.
     
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    He was sentenced, but don't let not knowing anything about this subject stop you from posting.
     
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