ISIS killed Americans and the Trump administration is tone deaf

Anybody in Syria is an idiot to begin with.

 

Just the last gasp of another Obama legacy going down the tubes. Sad that this Obama legacy has been this deadly. You seem to be joyous that this Obama legacy killed Americans on Trump's watch. You should be proud.

 

Two Presidents before him respected international laws and failed to take him out because informing Pakistan ended up informing bin Laden. Bin Laden was killed on Obama's watch because Obama respected nothing ,,, not international laws, not our constitution, nothing.

 

"But...Obama... "

Quit living in the past.

Trump's Watch/Trump's Fault.

This blood is on Trump's hands.

Thanks a lot, Trump!:smfh:

 

That's right. The founder of ISIS was a bystander in his administration. He found out on TV that his CIA created unrest in Syria to create an excuse to intervene. The media had to tell him that he ran Libyan weapons through Turkey to arm the terrorists. CNN told him that he and Turkey murdered Serena Shim when she blew the whistle. Timber Sycamore was a Parker Brothers board game. Gotcha.

 

My thoughts exactly. I suggested that in an earlier post and the OP shouted faux outrage at the suggestion although he/she/alphabet was one of the first to step up and screech at Trump's announcement.

 

Are you serious? The Mideast is the No. 1 source of the world's oil and natural gas. You want to turn over the Mideast to Russia and Iran? That's incredible, unless you are not from here.

Where are you from, by the way?

 

We are either totally independent from them or rapidly becoming that way. Gas and oil is really not the issue.

 

We are the number one producer of oil in the world, Canada is number 4 and Mexico also produces oil. We literally do not need them since us and our closest trading partners now produce way more then we consume.. In fact the Middle East are now the competition and them being in turmoil actually is good for our domestic oil industry. Also just because we have troops in the Middle East does not mean we control OPEC and thus the oil. The same goes for Russia and Iran, they may have influence but they do not have control and that influence comes with a price.

What do we even gain from this influence that would balance out the Billions spent on wars and the thousands of lives lost and the increased threat of terrorism that our meddling has created? How many terrorists did Obama's drone strikes create do your think? Or Bush's invasion of a stable country? We should be involved in areas that actually pertain to our national defense and our soldiers should only be deployed in our defense or to help with disaster relief. Syria is a boondoggle and nothing but quicksand. Let the Russians die in those deserts for a decade instead of our soldiers.

I was born and live in the United States

 

Past actions have future consequences. Did you really need someone to explain that to you?

Obama is responsible for illegally committing US troops to Syria. That means he's partially responsible for what happens to those troops.

I know Democrats hate taking responsibility for their actions, but they are responsible. They put troops in Syria and when Trump wanted to take them out, Democrats did everything they could to stop Trump. Now at least four Americans are dead because of it. That blood is on your hands.

 

So you're an imperialist who thinks the US has the right to dominate and control other countries through military force.

Tell me, how many brown people are you willing to kill in order to ensure that the average American has cheap gasoline?

Did it ever occur to you that the US could obtain cheap oil from the Middle East through peaceful or diplomatic means?

 

What is Trump's fault and what blood is on his hands? Where in hell do you people come up with this crap?

 

We don't have to do that. We are now an oil exporter. We have more oil than Saudi Arabia. We don't have to depend on any nation for oil anymore.

 

Why are so concerned about a President we haven't had for two years? Why are you concerned about events that happened up to four years ago?

It is because you know your hero, Trump, really f**ked up this time and you want to distract us from his f**kup? You want us to defend Obama and leave your hero alone.

This is what this thread is about. It is about the debacle happening now.

“We have won against ISIS,” Trump declared in a video posted Dec. 19, adding, “Our boys, our young women, our men — they’re all coming back, and they’re coming back now.”

On Jan. 10, during a speech at a university in Cairo, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo detailed America’s concept of its role in the Middle East, saying the United States would be more active in the region even as Trump’s plan to pull troops out of Syria proceeds. Huh? Say that again. Trump's plan is to become more active by becoming less active?

Pompeo was not finished making a fool of himself. Pompeo vowed to “expel every last Iranian boot” from Syria, but declined to explain how the United States would do that by withdrawing from Syria. This guy is our secretary of state? Where did Trump get this jerk?

Jan. 16, Four Americans were among 19 people killed on Wednesday in a suicide bombing in northern Syria that was claimed by the Islamic State, just weeks after Trump ordered the withdrawal of United States forces and declared that the extremist group had been defeated. The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights put the death toll at 19.

It is not about Obama, OBL, or U.S. oil reserves. It is about Trump getting it wrong while he attempts to pacify Putin.

 

Are you for real?

I said, "The Mideast is the No. 1 source of the world's oil and natural gas. You want to turn over the Mideast to Russia and Iran?"

The people that are doing the fighting there are the IraqI army, Kurds, and Syrian rebels. They are fighting for their own country. We offer support, training, and guidance. That is hardly being an imperialist.

Perhaps, you should read up on this issue, gain some knowledge, so you don't make a complete fool of yourself like you just did.

I bet you voted for Trump.

 

Our European allies do not have oil. They have to rely on Mideast oil. They are on the front lines when it comes to Russia. Is that why you want to turn the Mideast over to Russia?

 

Except that is no longer true.

 

I went over almost all your points before Sandy, not going to rehash the same things.

 

We will happily sell them all the oil they would like. Heck we will even ship it to them in nice big American made ships.

It is not about wanting to turn over anything to the Russians. It is about us not needing the Middle East. If the Russians (a much poorer country) want to spend their national treasure on foreign adventures then let them. But our economy and budget has not been able to absorb the cost so theirs definitely will not be able to.

 

So, what I'm if I am correct, most of the Trumpers are saying that the only reason these soldiers died is because Trump had not lied about ISIS being defeated and pulled them out soon enough.....Completely ignoring the fact that Trump and his administration is happy to pretend ISIS is defeated and let them overtake Syria, which would put the entire region at risk and endanger even more American lives.

 

Oh, yes, it is.

 

I won't quibble over adverbs, but we are not dependent.

 

“We have won against ISIS,” Trump declared in a video posted Dec. 19, adding, “Our boys, our young women, our men — they’re all coming back, and they’re coming back now.”

On Jan. 10, during a speech at a university in Cairo, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo detailed America’s concept of its role in the Middle East, saying the United States would be more active in the region even as Trump’s plan to pull troops out of Syria proceeds. Huh? Say that again. Trump's plan is to become more active by becoming less active?

Pompeo was not finished making a fool of himself. Pompeo vowed to “expel every last Iranian boot” from Syria, but declined to explain how the United States would do that by withdrawing from Syria.

Washington (CNN)ISIS claimed responsibility for a suicide attack targeting a joint US and Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) armored convoy south of the city of Shaddadi, Syria, on Monday, the SITE Intelligence Group reported citing the ISIS-affiliated Amaq News agency.

There were no American casualties in the bombing, Col. Sean Ryan, spokesman of the US-led international coalition, told CNN.

"We can confirm a combined U.S. and Syrian partner force convoy was involved in an apparent VBIED [vehicle-borne improvised explosive device] attack today in Syria. There were no US casualties. We will continue to review the situation and provide updates as appropriate," Ryan said.

Leadership is sadly lacking in the Trump administration. Trump and Pompeo act more like the Keystone cops than the President and his SecState. The lack of leadership is a national security risk. Now the jerk wants another summit with Kim Jong Un who continues to hide missile sites.

“I was really being tough - and so was he [Kim]. And we would go back and forth,” Trump said, adding, “And then we fell in love, okay? No, really - he wrote me beautiful letters, and they’re great letters.”

Good Lord!

 

That is a completely different matter and you are right.

 

I am not sure how that is a completely different matter. So I will make it clear.

We do not need to be in the middle east because of oil or natural gas.