Imagine Brexit actually happens (still a chance our useless government will feck it up), which country do you think is next to leave?
I'd have said Italy, but having witnessed the bureaucratic hoops that we've had to jump through during the past two and a half years, I doubt there will be any leavers. The next step will be the spontaneous collapse of the entire project brought about by circumstances beyond Brussels' control, specifically the collapse of the Euro; sticking plasters don't stay on for ever?
The Euro will survive because Europe is striving for more integration. A currency works in a country not across countries, hence why Brussels wants to remove the sovereignty of the EU member countries. Have one United States and your own parliament simply just becomes an EU implementer.
I don't think any member state have any politicians that could handle it. I would like to think Poland, Hungary , Italy or Greece would but they're poorly represented.
Absolutely right - a rubber-stamp for implementing laws made by effing un-elected foreigners. What red-blooded Briton would ever believe they'd see the day when that happens? But since it has, and looks like being here to stay, because it's so obviously going to be 'Anything but no deal!', we don't need Westminster's legislature, which means we don't need MPs either. This is 'surrendering sovereignty to a foreign power' by any other name.
That's why I voted leave. Sovereignty to me is important. Why fight WWI and WWII to give sovereignty away. To me, someone who voted to remain just p*****d on the graves of the fallen.
At least it will be good for the Irish. Not only that. I hear they are cashing in on businesses and financial services leaving the UK. Mogg has apparently already moved his. They are wanting to pretty much get rid of Government and to be a tax haven and for every one else, tough. They will tell the people they managed to get to support Brexit through their xenophobia that the reason they are having to do this was because May could not get her deal through and may work to create more xenophobia to take the heat off them . For those who supported Brexit for some other reason, the probably will see their mistake. Scotland and Northern Ireland will leave the UK, possibly Wales too and the standard of living for the bottom 50% will continue to deteriorate with no hope of things ever getting better. I would not be surprised if this was what they were after all the time and Brexit was a cunning way to be able to claim they had the agreement of the people. Of course there is also Climate Disaster. Will they do anything about that? Difficult to tell with people who seem unable to feel for anyone but themselves, who lack empathy. It is awful but I am glad I am not going to be around to see the future. I do though worry for my grandchildren who will see the worst.
The rich need the poor to be rich. Brexit isn't going to change that. In the EU, out of the EU, both seem bleak. One means being in the Fourth Reich and the other means listening to an old tyrant IMO - What is the point?
Britain was never great, the empire was rape murder stealing and exploitation forcing policies. The only people who have to put up with this crap now is the British.
Yes it was...and giving them 'British Values' like for instance the death sentence for being gay. I hear it was very 'white Supremacist'. I also hear a lot of people are missing it. We don't in any way though possibly racism is on the rise and they are expecting a big push for that after a Brexit, No Deal Supreme but after any. We do still have the institutions of Democracy. It is up to people to use them and take care of their rights.
Wasn't it some English ******** back in the day who told the Sodomites of Sodomy they were doing it wrong? As for Democracy, BLAH. @alexa Thatcher got ousted out, Major lost to Blair who then gave the job to Brown who ****ed up like the government before Thatcher and things got so bad that in fact no one won and Brown quit leading the way for a coalition which then ended and then he (David Cameron) quit and now we have May who didn't win but didn't quit so now we have ANOTHER collation between May and the DUP.
With a No Deal I think it is probably a done deal though May is trying to refuse the second Referendum so that she can refuse Scotland one. I believe a United Ireland is almost certain as well which is somewhat Ironical. The DUP from N. Ireland are holding this government together. The Leader of that Party voted for Brexit because she believed the only way to keep the UK together was to bring everyone out of the EU when it probably is going to be what will end the Union.
You are right about our democracy. In 88 due to Thatcher who people believed was throwing our unwritten Constitution out the window, Charter 88 got together with the intent on making the UK a strong democracy. John Smith, then Labour's leader was strongly moved by this and intended on making the changes once he got into power. These included things like the right of information, a written constitution, changing our voting system to a good form of proportional representation and making the UK into something of a Federal State. Unfortunately Smith died. Blair had promised to be involved in this work and he did a bit, but it was very half hearted. https://www.opendemocracy.net/ourki...new-epoch-for-democratic-resistance-has-begun Whereas the Government used to consider it part of its job to present a vision for the future to the people, their work became pretty much limited to finance and even then they were selling off bits of it whenever they could. Instead of working with a party as people would have in the past, when people felt something strongly they took to starting a group on it. Whereas we the people used to fund the Parties they started being funded by private donations who wanted a return so yes, our democracy is very weak.
Without a doubt Scotland will be next to leave the Union closely followed by a United Ireland, sadly Wales is unlikely to leave in my lifetime.
Anybody else notice the christian terrorism has started already in NI. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-46937061
I put in a thread on it but made no comment. Let's hope not. Maybe it is a warning. I only heard last night that apparently it is against the Good Friday agreement for N Ireland not to be in the EU! (I suppose everyone else has known this for two years!) Do they have any Government yet?
I was watching some Channel on YouTube. Cannot remember what it was. First of all they were showing people like Fox furious because others are trying to get the leave date changed and for a Statement that there would be no No Deal. They showed several people saying how they absolutely could not say there would not be a No Deal as that took away their bargaining position. The program then said it was going to be No Deal. That is what they want. Seems some of the Tories still believe that if they make a No Deal, Europe is going to come running and do anything they want. Indeed they said as much as I have often heard people say. Then something different came. They said they had heard that the EU had decided that if Britain did do a No Deal, they were going to pull all the stops to make sure it was as hard as was possible for the UK - and to make sure people understood just how hard they meant, they said quietly, 'it will be ok. The UK will survive. It is not a helpless country.' However they said they wanted to do this so that it was so awful that no one else would ever consider it. Two can always play the same game. One thing Leave have always misjudged is who has the most power.
I fondly remember when 'attempted murder' was a capital offence; yet these scumbags will just serve a couple of years in the slammer. WTF? If it had detonated while those 10 or so people were passing the car it would have been carnage. Mad dogs should be put down.
