US ambassador in Germany is scratching at diplomatic "Red Line"!

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  1. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    Well ... like here, wher eis rat piper ambassador does it in name of his Master in White House?
     
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    The American ambassador did not lecture german on their shameful nazi past
     
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    Precisely. The U.N. should be ignored. As I said, it has nothing to do with anything. It is just a corrupt quasi governmental disaster.
     
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    Why? Many Germans consider Hitler to be a cancer that destroyed the country and millions of human lives.
     
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    So be it. Why should their nuclear program be examined? Because it is required for others?
     
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    One could argue that Germans should mind their own business where Trump is concerned, sounds ok, then yanks should mind their own business where the German government is concerned. Unfortunately, the US seems absolutely unable to do so, Grenell being a case in point. I'd love to see the reaction the moment a foreign ambassador to the US acts the way Grenell does in Berlin. Washington wouldn't have any of that, not for a second, the other way around is more than acceptable, of course. Hypocrisy par excellence.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    These are the flailing actions of an empire in decline. If you have to use force on people for them to be your friend - they are not really your friend.

    When a Leader has respect from the group he commands - the willingly do the will of the commander.
    When there is dissent in the ranks - it is not long before the group falls apart.

    Using the "nuclear option" - using the US world reserve currency/system of international payments as a club - has consequences - both short and long term.

    Meanwhile - the rest of the world is making deals that intentionally preclude the US. Iraq originally chose Siemens over GE for the massive 15 Billion dollar infrastructure rebuild.

    We had to threaten Iraq politically to get them to change course and include GE ... https://www.investors.com/news/iraq-quash-siemens-general-electric-agreement/

    When a leader has to use force to quell dissension in the ranks - the situation is not good.

    India is not Iraq - India is an ally.
    https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...atsa-sanctions-trump/articleshow/66155724.cms

    The State Dept is over the top upset over this and Trump is threatening sanctions.

    At some point - the question becomes - who is the US not sanctioning or threatening to sanction? Iran, Europe, Russia, China, India and so on.

    The thing about Sanctions is that they work well when everyone is on board. It does little good to forbid (sanction) arms/equipment sales to Iran if you are the only one that is not selling arms/equipment to that nation - while other nations sell arms/equipment. Iran sanctions worked very well when the EU, China, Russia were on board.

    If everyone else is not on board - the US is then reduced to making threats and going after individual companies on a company by company basis .. threatening them with not being able to trade with the US and using the "nuclear option".

    The world is now ramping up efforts to get around the "nuclear option" - create an alternative to the USD as the Sole world reserve currency for international settlements. This is akin to taking the stick away from an errant child
     
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    I’m sure most do

    which is why the german poster invoked hitler as a way to insult trump

    But for germans to go to foreign counties via the internet, countries that fought and died to rid the world of hitler is just crazy
     
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    They simply don't like Trump and that is how they are expressing themselves. Not the best.
     
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    Actually, Germany is one of the countries which many times joined the US sanctions against other countries - against Russia, for example. So, what is surprising now? Referrings to the international laws, to the UN don't work any more. For many years before Germany followed the USA and the fact that those sanctions weren't approved by UN haven't caused any outrage, fierce and so on.
    Today the US threatens to impose sanctions against Germany. Surprise, surprise! One may say - you reap what you sow.
     
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    If it happened as claimed this would not be the first time that this President and the State Department have acted independently and on different agendas, said opposing things, done opposing things.
     
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    Why? Germans today had nothing to do with Hitler; none voted for him and very few would vote for him today - and most understand that he was a vile and horrendous dictator.
     
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    I would think common sense would prevent germans from invoking hilter as a way to smear an American

    Because they are far more vunerable to the comparison than anyone else
     
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    Because they are far more vunerable to the comparison than anyone else[/QUOTE]

    For me your statements are a reflection of your personal prejudices. There were all sorts of Germans of the Hitler period who opposed and disliked him. Today, almost 100 years after he came to power, why shouldn't a German citizen comment of Hitler's megalomania and see parallels in Trump? Even I can see such parallels.
     
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    For me your statements are a reflection of your personal prejudices. There were all sorts of Germans of the Hitler period who opposed and disliked him. Today, almost 100 years after he came to power, why shouldn't a German citizen comment of Hitler's megalomania and see parallels in Trump? Even I can see such parallels.[/QUOTE]
    My personal prejudices?

    There are graveyards all over europe filled the bodies of Americans who died to rid the world of hitler

    And they killed a lot of german nazis in the process
     
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    My personal prejudices?

    There are graveyards all over europe filled the bodies of Americans who died to rid the world of hitler

    And they killed a lot of german nazis in the process[/QUOTE]

    On that basis I might argue that Brits and French were fighting and dying in that war long before America decided to join in, but very few Brits or French or Italians would condemn a living German for something that took place the best part of a century ago - well before they were alive and over which they had no choice at all.

    So yes, this is very clearly a prejudice of yours. I'm alarmed you can't see that.
     
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    ...i did not bother mentioning the brits, or the french, or canadians, or south afeicans, or rhodesians, or australians, or new zealanders, or poles or russians who also fought against hitler because the insult hurled by the german was not directed against them

    And because I was confident that you would do it for me

    Which you did
     
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    The living german condemned himself by dragging hiltler into the conversation where his former fuhrer does not belong
     
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    Blimey! Lies too.
    What a whopper!
     
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    You talk utter bollocks. Anyway, I'm done here. Prejudices and racialism is not something I care to tarry over.
     
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    It was the german who invoked hitler, not me
     
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    Racialism?

    How pathetic

    Yes, I agree,

    after that stupid remark I think you should jump in your right-hand drive motor car, and if it will start, drive away
     
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    I don’t care if Germany is offended.
     
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    Oh ... if all arguments are eleminated, we come back to the Nazi issue towards the Germans? Lame ... very lame! This is more as 70 years ago man!
    In your country are more people running around as at us who deny Holocaust or find that there wer enot enough Jews killed and they even walk around in all public with Nazi Uniform and swasitka flag. So I recommend to you to fell better in shameful silence about Nazi issue and look on your country about, as to blame us for a history issue, which we do not deny or declare to be good and great ...
     
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    Sounds homophobic to me.

    I'm forwarding this to your Hate Speech Gestapo.
     
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