Brexit: Theresa May's deal is voted down

You have an obsession. Did Putin kick you out or somethin?

Oh I know! You're a liberal one world order freak, and Putin won't join.

 

What is "one world order" even supposed to entail? If you want world peace, then there certainly does need to be a certain degree of order in the form of laws and governance, so that nations or other entities do not need to resort to conflict to settle their differences.

 

I'll readily admit that because of my borderline dyslexia, maths aren't my strongest suit, but I distinctly recall hearing in the broadcast that we were one of the 4 or 5 net contributors: conversely I don't comprehend the accompanying nuances in the figures, therefore accept the previous posters' responses. All I do know is that I have a profound mistrust of official figures, especially when they're from bureaucratic sources - and more especially when those bureaucratic sources are in Brussels.

 

WOW! While without question there is a desire and need for changes, this is just some kind of conspiracy madness. Each country of the EU has a vote. Britain for instance has only not agreed with 2% of laws past.

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There is no truth in this. Europe has had 73 years of peace with the EU. Something previously unheard of.

Again just making things up. Europe has had the longest period of peace known. Russia is supporting the far right in Europe with the intent of destroying the EU and getting Europe into the Eurasia Union realigned with Russia rather than the US. Russia hopes for the US and the UK to be isolated and alone. In this I believe that Durandal is correct about your motivation. It is against the US and pro Russia and has absolutely nothing to do with the will of the people of the EU except that your preference is for Europe to be isolated ethnic nationalist states aligned with Russia and we all know the history of what European ethnic nationalist states results in.

Now Europe may chose to change its allegiances. It could change to move from the US to Russia or to be completely independent and work with both the US and Russia. That is it's choice. As far as change needed to make the EU more democratic and other necessary changes, as I have already said and left a link to, work is going on to change that from within by Diem25. Your interest in seeing the disintegration of the EU into ethnic nationalist states simply illustrates your far right political stance and that is an authoritarian not democratic stance.

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Nonsense. just more of your propaganda.

 

Not by accident either. The less well known history is that the Nazi rump that fled to and re-established itself in Argentina post war used it fabulous wealth to re-establish a Fourth Reich economically rather than through military force. See HERE, a NYT report from 1973 that establishes this very clearly. There is also another article HERE, albeit not an especially full or accurate story - but you'll get the drift.

After the war Canadian journalist and writer William Stevenson tracked down Hjalmar Schacht in what was then spelled "Djarkarta", circa the early-mid 1950's, where Schacht confirmed that the old Nazi's were set upon the task of establishing the Fourth Reich in Europe economically and financially - not militarily.

 

Up to a point only but otherwise agreed. But where they miss the ship is that they don't fully understand or know about in any detail is the present neoliberal economic order that the US and Europe (and elsewhere) are adherents of, although they do understand that they're being screwed by the system every day.

 

That's right, Mr. Cerberus, it's time to tell the Tower of Babel to **** off!

 

And just imagine how many indolent non-contributing parasites and their staff can be accommodated in that spectacular building, and how much money the hard-working and useful members of their various countries paid to have it built, and air conditioned, and maintained. The heating of the building during the winter months is supplied by the hot air they spout all day long when 'working'. No wonder they don't want it to end . . . nor would I, if I were one of them!!! lol

 

Deary, you're forgetting the dismembering of Yugoslavia and the 78 day bombing spree of Belgrade. But it doesn't matter, after all it was only to put the 'untermenchen' Serbs in their place, as well as to please Croatia and Bosnia. One can never accuse Germany of disloyalty towards its former allies.

Anyway there was no genocide of Albanians as was proven later on, but there definitely was one of Serbs under the eyes of Nato of course. But they're 'untermenchens' anyway - so what difference.

A French General tells all in this video, where and when the talks started; the lies, deception, hypocrisy and everything else one can expect from the 'supremacist' gods of the universe.

 

Hey Durandal there are laws, but we're not following them. If we did we wouldn't have bombed Yugoslavia, invaded Iraq, bombed Libya, and supported terrorists in Syria. Anyway I don't believe in a one world government, let's just say I'm a more realistic ideologue. Instead of a strong central government, I think nations shouldn't even exist since their very size makes it impossible for them to respect the individual rights of many of their citizens.

I say bring back the city/states. The smaller the entity the more respect given the individual. That way everyone can retain their language, values, faith, standards or what not, without others imposing their own on them. I believe this was the premise our nation was built on, and why the States were given more power than the Federal government. It's also why we have no language law.

As for science and progress, what good is it if humanity itself is threatened by its very dependency on one another? Progress to me would be when each home, or at least each town is self sufficient in all its necessities - if not luxuries - specially electricity and food.

 

Normally I wouldn't accept it, but the results are confirming it regardless of whether it was preplanned or not. Germany has to have some inner animosity especially towards Britain for their bombing sprees during WWII. Those feelings do not die out so readily.

Anyway I'm just analyzing things, it doesn't mean I have anything against Germany other than their current policies social and otherwise.

 

There's little doubt everyday folks have no idea how they're getting screwed by Big Money and the bought-off educated elite. It's disappointing to see the folks distracted by the false prophets--Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage, Donald Trump--after years to believing socialists and now the like of Jeremy Corbyn, Bill Clinton, and Obama.

 

Deary, you are forgetting that I pointed out that it was being in the EU that had stopped wars but if it is necessary to make it absolutely clear to you, the EU has stopped members from going to war with each other. Yugoslavia was not a member of the EU and whether it was even European was debatable

So basically my post stands.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-is-voted-down.549231/page-18#post-1070121014

You have been unable to refute anything

 

Exactly why I as an America am excited to see the U.K. Leave the E.U.

Nationalism is not the absolute evil some portray it to be...we are seeing that same message preached in the U.S. now sadly. When the POTUS says he is a nationalist and that statement is attacked by Americans something is way off base...

I have my English beer ready for March 29th :0

 

What wars has the EU prevented?

 

Can you point out when the US Constitution was amended to deny felons the right to own firearms. I can't find it and there's nothing in the small print of the 2nd amendment.

 

Not going to see Trump impeached IMO.

When elected I was sure he was a single term POTUS but now I think he gets re-elected. The aggression from the left in pushing their social agendas is bringing the right together even more and I think moving the center away from the left.

The mid terms were a draw overall with a slight lean to the DNC when they should have been a home run for the DNC if anti-Trump feelings were as strong as some said they were.

Either way the next election is going to be entertaining.

 

If you know nothing about Europe and history, I suggest just start some beginning reading. If you are just playing games, I am not interested.

 

Ah I see. An American wanting to see the UK destroyed. How novel.

 

The killer question which never brings forth an answer.

 

It is no surprise that you know nothing about the history of wars within Europe and the reality that there has not been a war among those countries since the EU was invented given that you refuse to read anything and just go by your feelings. Your feelings are that you belive Britain can rule the world again. Because of this feeling/fantasy you with many other over 55's decided to destroy the future of our young.

 

The numerous American army bases is what stopped any further European wars, not the EU.

 

Isn't that what the UN and the League of Nations were supposed to do?

 

It was a legitimate question. Why not try to give an honest answer?

 

Can you please quote where the poster said he believes Britain can rule the world again?