Why would you Oppose a wall on our Border? Lets find out.

I don't think the temperament and background of Obama and Trump are even broadly comparable. I don't recall Obama himself ever saying he would like being President-for-life

I hope I am being silly, but I honestly fear what Trump may do. Hell, I fear what his FOLLOWERS may do, This shutdown, frex, was probably brought on by Fox & Friends et al saying he was caving to the Democrats

 

I am not too worried.
The system is bigger than a person.

 

What the hell plan are you on where you're paying 10K in deductibles and 15K for a colonoscopy? I just had a colonoscopy done a few months back and paid.....ZERO

 

There is absolutely NO PLAN for stopping 80% of drug trafficking from Mexico.

The majority of drug traffic from Mexico is by going through the checkpoints or by air.

 

There will never be a 'great big beautiful wall made out of concrete' as Trump has said, and yes for you skeptics, he most certainly specified 'concrete'. This will never happen, not in my lifetime, not in your lifetime and not in the lifetimes of your grandchildren.

We don't need it, it's as simple as that. Everything the DHS and Trump has said to scare you including all the past caravans and future caravans are said to manipulate you. Those caravans have been going on for decades. Trump claimed it was a crisis 18 months ago. Trump cried, 'it's a crisis!' 8 months ago. Suddenly the 'crisis' was so bad he had to shut down the government and put regular Americans at risk. This is not a man that cares for you, me or anyone if he's willing to do that. So I guess the first 'crisis' wasn't a bad crisis, neither was the one 8 months ago, maybe we should call those 'mini-crisis'.

Do people realize that only about one-third of the 1,954-mile U.S.-Mexico border is covered by some kind of barrier? The construction of an unbroken fence would be a herculean and expensive engineering feat. A wall would be even more so, with cost estimates as high as 67 -- 100 billion. The wall will never be entirely built because of eminent domain. The government would have to take a ton of private land away from people. Before Trump’s wall can be built, landowners need to agree and not all of them are enthusiastic about it. These landowners are among the nation’s richest people, owning land in some of the most remote places in the country. They are multi-generational ranchers and recent arrivals, heirs to Fort Knox-like fortunes and the inheritors of fallow dirt patches along America’s southern border. Bill Addington, a rancher in Texas has little interest in erecting a wall on his family's land and has stated "Trump will build a wall on my land over my dead body." These fiercely independent landowners will take center stage if Donald Trump moves forward with his promise to wall off the border with Mexico. As such, the questions of who owns the border and how they will be compensated looms large. Many owners say they have no intention of giving up their land without a fight.

The second reason a wall will never be built is the 'Secure Fence Act'. Twelves years after the passing of the Secure Fence Act in 2006, the U.S. is still in federal court litigating getting pieces of land that the federal government needed to do that and landowners went to court to fight the U.S. government, these lawsuits have been in the courts for nearly 13 years and the same is going to happen with the wall when land is taken by the U.S. government.

Since 2007, more illegal immigrants have entered the country through illegal over-stays of visas than have entered through the Southern border. In 2014, two-thirds of illegals came in through the same way, illegal over-stays of visas, and Trump has done nothing to address that problem whatsoever. Trump hasn't talked about it because he's not really serious about immigration he only wants to talk about the wall because that's what his base wants to hear, that's something they can understand.

Drugs aren't coming into the U.S. on mules, they're coming in through sophisticated tunnels below the ground, or by sea on boats. Mafia has all the money they need to build whatever they want to build and however many they want to build. Fentanyl is coming into the United States through our United States Parcel Service, or must plain mail. Nearly all illegal Fentanyl is coming from China, not Mexico or Central America.

Did the Great Wall of China, which took more than 2,000 years to complete, protect the Chinese from the hordes of Mongols who invaded China? short answer - no

 

In TODAYS NEWS 376 immigrants who illegally entered the country by digging 6 short tunnels under the border wall in a remote area near Yuma Az.surrendered seeking asylum to border patrol agents.Most were adults accompanying children.THE WALL waste of money!!!

 

This was part of the bipartisan immigration reform bill that passed the Senate in 2013.

There so much that Trump and other Republicans are simply ignoring.

 

Today there is only ONE Republican US Representative from a district along the entire border with Mexico.

And, that Representative (Will Hurd from Texas) opposes Trump's claim that we need to build more wall.

He says:

"Nobody likes being the cheese that’s standing alone."

"I have a unique perspective because I have so much border, because I have an entire career dealing with these issues. That is more important than any kind of political calculation.”

 

But one of its features I most admire is the unending line of truly great men it has given to us and the world in the Presidents. Not all have truly been great but until now it has somehow protected us from the toxic and malignant

 

I often say, neither party really wants to halt illegal immigration.

 

IMO, the system in DC became toxic and malignant.
tRUMP is a result of people fed up with those elitists who give a rats patooty about Americans.
Unfortunately, tRUMP doesn't seem to care about Americans either. Unless they are on the far right of America.

 

I know what you mean.

However, I'd say that right now there are issues with immigration that are more important than the trickle illegally crossing that one particular land border.

The range of immigration issues DO require compromise

Caving to a bald faced demand is no more than encouragemnt of the idea that presidential demands can override anything that congressional Dems and Repos could try to accomplish.

I see this Trump demand as an attempt to establish a decision making process, and to preempt the possibility of using legislativee branch proceddure to address the immigration issues that are actually important.

 

There is a gem. Multifaceted and ramped up until the border becomes impervious.

Yeah, employers to the prison house for hiring illegals.

And no benefits from the treasury whatsoever to draw them either.

 

Not at all. Use technology to blow the tunnels up before they can surface.

 

So true, so true. It is self evident that congress and presidents have refused to control illegal immigration, given it is said that we have 10s of millions here already. So, that fact proves it. A no brainer.

And so if a barrier in particular places will help, we should do it, as well as going after employers to take the carrots away. Go down to panama city florida where my son in law is working for the last month, and there are so many illegals down there doing construction work it would blow your mind.

And the number of illegals grows with each year, although we lost some when the housing bubble popped and new construction stopped. But with our economy coming back, some are coming in, for the work.

Last time I heard, illegals were sending 60 billion dollars home to mexico, but those are old stats. Not sure what it is today. And if border security had been sufficient, we would not have that happening. Truth is, no one really knows the exact or close number of illegals. Too bad the census is not allowed to find out, so we could have hard numbers to look at. But perhaps some people do not want to really have a handle on that stats. ha ha

 

I meant to ask you if you agree. Cost is irrelevant in terms of how difficult they are to breach. Do you agree? The relevant
detail here is that the wall is 30 foot tall, which is nothing compared to the height of any current barriers. Do you agree?

 

What are you saying that he did?

 

What does border security have to do with them sending money home to Mexico?

What do you mean "not allowed to find out?"

 

He's right. The same people that were solidly in favor of what Trump wants to do a few years ago, are now so opposed to it that they are playing chicken for the sole purpose of not giving DT a "win". It's not "name calling", it's reality. And in the big picture, the amount is so small it's like arguing about 3 cents on a dollar purchase. And it's 1/9th the amount that the proposed bill includes for foreign aid. So they're more than willing to give other countries 9x what they're willing to give to our own. It's sickening.

 

I don't think murder is the answer to stopping immigrants.
And besides, the exit hole doesn't happen until they exit.

 

Do you think they can't build a ladder 31' tall?
How deep into the ground. They can tunnel under.

Isn't cost related to materials and structure height, depth into ground and width?
So cost is relevant.
Walls are only temporary deterents.

 

He illegally colluded with the Russians to mount a campaign of disinformation and fraud against Clinton on social media networks. He abetted then in using information illegally stolen from the DNC against the DNC and Clinton. Both of these are violations of campaigning laws. The first is akin to espionage and the second just old-fashioned burglary but both are serious crimes and worthy of impeachment themselves; and this is just a partial list of the crimes he committed to steal the Presidency. HIs illegal abuses of his power since then are well-known to everyone and too numerous to list.

How can anyone with eyes to see even ask this question? Trump is unique among pols in my experience in that he has committed his crimes right out in the open and his followers blithely ignore them over and over. Mueller is simply acquiring proof of what all of us, even his followers already know. How long can we let this madness continue?

 

The border wall will do nothing for those who migrate to Fl. If they boat into Fl.

A wall will do some deterring. But over, under, and around are all options to those seeking employment.

 

allow
[uh-lou]
verb (used with object)
to give permission to or for; permit:

Ergo, not allowed, means no permission given.

 

Thats like saying why keep a fire extinguisher handy since it cant prevent a tornado from hitting your house